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How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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post #175

From my perspective, I think most people want to be socially isolated, or at the very least, never change their social bubble. After completing school, I didn't want to be lonely when living in the working world. So I bought a few books on socializing, picked up swing dance, went to meetups, took adult education classes and volunteered in the US election. After 16 months of continuous practice, I have made 0 friends.…

This is going to sound terribly judgemental, but have you considered that the problem might lie with you? It sounds like you are doing exactly the right thing in terms of meeting new people but the fact that your results are very poor, seems to suggest you are not doing something correctly, or are putting people off in some way.

Just show an interest in people, without being creepy. Respect boundaries but show you are a good listener and ask questions that show that you have listened and do care. Rather than shotgun everyone, just be friendly and interested and concentrate on developing relationships with people that appear interested in you.

It is also important to not rush things. If you perceive a connection with someone - don't ask them around to your house for drinks immediately, but develop the relationship for a few more meetings before taking it to the next level (I mean this from a platonic point of view).

Also consider your appearance and personal hygiene. Are you dressed about the same as everyone else? Try to be better dressed than average without being extreme. Have you too much deodorant? Are you freshly showered? Do you have bad breath?

Try to ask a family member or honest friend the tough questions about yourself.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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post #197

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I find that simply making people feel comfortable being themselves around you is the easiest way to make friends. I am not attractive, influential, connected or rich, but I also don't expect anything from people... as in I'm not trying to gain anything from them, not that that I have low expectations of people. I find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable being themselves and don't fe…

> find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable How is that done?

Acceptance and empathy. It can take a lot of practice. You need to ascertain where the person is mentally and emotionally, and meet them there.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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post #197

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I find that simply making people feel comfortable being themselves around you is the easiest way to make friends. I am not attractive, influential, connected or rich, but I also don't expect anything from people... as in I'm not trying to gain anything from them, not that that I have low expectations of people. I find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable being themselves and don't fe…

> find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable How is that done?

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Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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post #175

From my perspective, I think most people want to be socially isolated, or at the very least, never change their social bubble. After completing school, I didn't want to be lonely when living in the working world. So I bought a few books on socializing, picked up swing dance, went to meetups, took adult education classes and volunteered in the US election. After 16 months of continuous practice, I have made 0 friends.…

I think the best you can do to build strong relationships -- at my 41 I don't know what friendship is anymore -- is by putting yourself into social situations which present problems to be solved collectively. Sports is a good one. Not losing the game requires a lot of problem solving and cooperation. It is rewarding to people to solve problems because it was key for our survival along the ages -- a Darwinian thing.

Some 10 years ago I joined a new management team in the company I was working for, and our director took us on a trip to a seaside town where we would work on a "teambuilding" activity, we would do some sailing. Sailing a midsize boat when you know zero about it can be very demanding. You are solving problems all the time to yourself, to the crew and to the ship. At the end of those two days sailing we were a completely different team. I felt that I had made 3 new friends and spotted a new enemy, a person I couldn't get along with. I keep their friendship till this day.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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post #175

From my perspective, I think most people want to be socially isolated, or at the very least, never change their social bubble. After completing school, I didn't want to be lonely when living in the working world. So I bought a few books on socializing, picked up swing dance, went to meetups, took adult education classes and volunteered in the US election. After 16 months of continuous practice, I have made 0 friends.…

I think the best you can do to build strong relationships -- at my 41 I don't know what friendship is anymore -- is by putting yourself into social situations which present problems to be solved collectively. Sports is a good one. Not losing the game requires a lot of problem solving and cooperation. It is rewarding to people to solve problems because it was key for our survival along the ages -- a Darwinian thing. S…

>>and spotted a new enemy

There is something about this that just makes me chuckle. Don't know why.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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If you are a guy, you're not alone. We just generally suck at cues. Ya gotta get lucky and find someone to spell it out for you. At least that's how I met my wife.

Shit. The older I get the more I realise I may have missed or misinterpreted cues. I've started wondering if I am on the spectrum.

>I've started wondering if I am on the spectrum.

This is an honest fear of mine. Maybe "fear" isn't the right word, but I feel like I exhibit behaviors that would indicate I'm on the spectrum, but they're always intentional and rooted in the idea that I don't want to bother or disturb others.

So I keep to myself, avoid eye contact, and don't initiate conversation if it's for "selfish" reasons. I need an excuse to be social that isn't just "because I want to". If I have such an excuse (like I'm part of an established group, or it's business related, or so on), I have absolutely no problem. Only when the purpose is personal or self-serving do I have problems. Not because I don't want to interact, but because my fear is that in doing so I'll just upset or annoy everyone else. I've been actively fighting this peculiarity for many years (with professional help) and while it's gotten better it's still very difficult. And I think from an outside perspective this comes off as a bit like mild autistic behavior.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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You seem to have many misunderstandings on the power that Governors have. Real life isn't Simcity.

I could change zoning laws and provide tax incentives. Those work pretty well.

The vast majority of zoning laws are done at the local level. You'd actually be better off running for mayor of some city. It's much better to do what you're proposing at a local level anyway.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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post #197

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I find that simply making people feel comfortable being themselves around you is the easiest way to make friends. I am not attractive, influential, connected or rich, but I also don't expect anything from people... as in I'm not trying to gain anything from them, not that that I have low expectations of people. I find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable being themselves and don't fe…

> find that people appreciate social interactions where they feel comfortable How is that done?

It's not easy until it is, but it didn't really come naturally to me. Acceptance and empathy are important as my sibling mentioned already, but those are hard things to just "do".

I've been continuously trending toward more comfortable in my own skin as I've gotten older, though I've also actively worked toward breaking down my internal belief systems and assumptions about people, the world and what people expect of me.

I've done that by exploring a lot of psychology, philosophy, spirituality and mind-altering experiences to get out of my own head. I think the most profound effect has been from combination ayahuasca/san pedro plant medicine ceremonies though I don't know how much all the prior work I'd done toward breaking down my ego academically set me up to take advantage of those experiences.

I think the biggest thing that makes people feel uncomfortable in social situations is anxiety and insecurity... which are both just forms of fear. Fear of being vulnerable, fear of being perceived as "less than", fear of being rejected or humiliated by exposing too much of yourself.

These are all things that might not be conscious thoughts, but the underlying signal does come across in body language, intonation and automatic reactions which can make people feel uneasy.

I think the first step is to become more mindful of how you're carrying yourself in social situations, which means focusing less at "succeeding" in a social situation and more seeing about what you can learn from them. How do "successful" socializers carry themselves? How does their reaction compare to how you would have reacted? Why would you have reacted the way you would have and why do you think they reacted the way they did? Eventually you stop thinking about it and you say something you see gets a more positive reaction (like asking an interesting question of someone) and you consciously avoid doing something that probably would have gotten a negative reaction (like bringing the conversation back to yourself for the third time)

Another thing that helps is realizing that other people are in the exact same boat for the most part and they aren't judging you as much as you might think and are much more willing to forgive a fuck up.

Fucking up in a social situation and not being weird can actually be really good since it's an opportunity to let other people feel like you won't care if they say something stupid... it's like an agreed step down of the social threat level.

Alright, prob wrote more than necessary, but soooo bored waiting on this holiday commute.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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post #175

From my perspective, I think most people want to be socially isolated, or at the very least, never change their social bubble. After completing school, I didn't want to be lonely when living in the working world. So I bought a few books on socializing, picked up swing dance, went to meetups, took adult education classes and volunteered in the US election. After 16 months of continuous practice, I have made 0 friends.…

I did something similar (continuously went to meetups for two years), but had the exact opposite experience. Now I have more friends than I can realistically keep up with. Just repeatedly showing up to these things and making an effort to talk to these people a bit each time and eventually I stopped being a stranger to people and started getting invited to private events they hosted. It might have helped that the mee…

My experience with "pounding the pavement" at IT conferences has been the same. I'm there to network and learn, but also to make acquaintances and friends. People there tend to be less social than ones at hobby related meetups. Their mindset isn't as social. And I hate to say it, but there's truth to the stereotype that IT people aren't the most socially adept either.

It's frustrating when you're trying to make friends to work on an open source collaboration with, or just grab a beer and vent or talk shop.

Re: How Social Isolation Is Killing Us

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post #133

When I was starting to use facebook in 2007, I thought it was the greatest thing ever to meet people and do things. I still think that the internet can make people who live near each other meet and socialize. I don't understand why no site like this is being created, and why facebook has become so alienating instead of becoming a site that encourage exclusivity between friends. People are really adopting the jetset a…

meetup.com is a great website focused on helping people who live near each other meet and socialize. Highly recommend it.

Only around specific and punctual activities, and it's mostly city centric, not location or neighbor centric.
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