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IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by pc86 »

hodder wrote: post #178
babuskov wrote: post #138

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I wrote it in so nice way. I'm usually more harsh to people. Deciding not to have kids because it's too much of an effort is so selfish act. You're throwing away all the effort your ancestors put in to get to the point of you being alive.

You are normally "way more harsh to people" for making the very personal decision as to whether they will have children? You do realize just how offensive you are being? Whether other people have children is not for you to decide or deride.

> I'd put this up there with racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination.

This is probably the most offensive thing in this thread.

You are allowed to disagree with other people's choices. You are allowed to voice that disagreement, even publicly. People are allowed to think you're stupid for caring whether or not someone else has children.

Nothing about any of that is even remotely "discrimination" and to imply it's anywhere in the same universe as racism or sexism is offensive to real problems everywhere.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by rch »

trishume wrote: post #165

The low correlation of IQ and future wage is surprising to me given what I've seen elsewhere. For example https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert_Sternberg2/publi... finds that IQ predicts 15% of the variance in income and 25% of the variance in socioeconomic status. Also See http://mavweb.mnsu.edu/howard/Schmidt%20and%20Hunter%201998%... where IQ tests predict future job performance measurements across many stud…

Why do these studies primarily look at wages? Personal autonomy might be a better metric, just more difficult to quantify.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by pc86 »

pitay wrote: post #166
babuskov wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote it in so nice way. I'm usually more harsh to people. Deciding not to have kids because it's too much of an effort is so selfish act. You're throwing away all the effort your ancestors put in to get to the point of you being alive.

Let's not get caught up on what dead ancestors may think. The world is already overpopulated. Overpopulation causes depletion of natural resources, degradation of the environment, conflicts and wars caused by such lack of resources, and there being less resources per capita. Adding people when it is causing problems like these is harmful. However, people having 2 or 3 or thereabouts children isn't something to be wor…

Just in terms of numbers isn't a man having a single child each with 10 women better than 10 couples each having two kids?

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by Smaug123 »

babuskov wrote: post #138
visarga wrote: post #62

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Well... in order for you to wonder at how "biology ruled over your logical processing unit" a lot of people had to sacrifice their freedoms, before you. Don't beat yourself over it, it's such an important thing that it is equal to "being alive". And what you lose as a person, your DNA gains as a living system. DNA is such a chump. I never realized how much work it does. Every protein in our bodies is copied from DNA.…

I wrote it in so nice way. I'm usually more harsh to people. Deciding not to have kids because it's too much of an effort is so selfish act. You're throwing away all the effort your ancestors put in to get to the point of you being alive.

> You're throwing away all the effort

How many children must one have before one is morally absolved of this sin?

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by yummyfajitas »

tomrod wrote: post #179
yummyfajitas wrote: post #164

The actual paper, available on sci-hub, does not agree with this innumerate journalist's interpretation of it. http://www.pnas.org.sci-hub.ac/content/113/47/13354.short?rs... In fact, the paper shows that IQ is a great predictor. Personality is a much worse predictor on highly g-loaded tasks, and a good predictor on some others (e.g. wages). But (IQ, personality) pairs are an even better predictor than IQ or personal…

I haven't read the paper yet, but I'd be genuinely surprised if PCA or factor analysis wasn't performed.

I just skimmed it, but I don't see them doing that anywhere.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by acqq »

SyneRyder wrote: post #61

Huh, did the title on HN get changed? It's now "IQ is only a minor factor in success" which doesn't match the Bloomberg article title "If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?". It makes some of the comments that were written before the change seem a bit strange.

And isn't the current title an editorializing of the article's title, against HN guidelines? I don't find the original too linkbaity.

Moreover, it appears to me that the paper

http://www.pnas.org/content/113/47/13354.short?rss=1

was already discussed here?

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by [deleted] »

pc86 wrote: post #181
hodder wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are normally "way more harsh to people" for making the very personal decision as to whether they will have children? You do realize just how offensive you are being? Whether other people have children is not for you to decide or deride.

> I'd put this up there with racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination. This is probably the most offensive thing in this thread. You are allowed to disagree with other people's choices. You are allowed to voice that disagreement, even publicly. People are allowed to think you're stupid for caring whether or not someone else has children. Nothing about any of that is even remotely "discrimination" and to imply…

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Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by crikli »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #128
crikli wrote: post #106

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Dude. Just because someone is adamantly against having children themselves doesn't mean that they "can't find joy in the happiness of others." My wife and I decided to not have kids. I don't know that I would equate it to "an 18 year prison sentence" but...I wouldn't not call it that. I love all my little nieces and nephews; they're one of the best parts of my life. I also thank the noodly appendages of the Flying Sp…

I said that people that can't find joy in the happiness of others should not have kids, not the other way around. That would be a stupid thing to say.

Fair enough. Apologies for misinterpreting.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Post by hodder »

pc86 wrote: post #181
hodder wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are normally "way more harsh to people" for making the very personal decision as to whether they will have children? You do realize just how offensive you are being? Whether other people have children is not for you to decide or deride.

> I'd put this up there with racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination. This is probably the most offensive thing in this thread. You are allowed to disagree with other people's choices. You are allowed to voice that disagreement, even publicly. People are allowed to think you're stupid for caring whether or not someone else has children. Nothing about any of that is even remotely "discrimination" and to imply…

I'd argue that being harsh to women for their reproductive choices is a key component of modern sexism.

Discrimination has a variety of forms.

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