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Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Interesting. I'm a 1%er and I have a piece of paper that says I'm pretty smart, but: > a personality trait marked by > diligence, perseverance and > self-discipline I see myself as pretty lazy, impulsive, and slap-dash, and tend to use my brain to brute-force lazy solutions to problems. I am too lazy and don't have the concentration span to pay attention much in meetings, but can generally utter something profound ne…

I can definitely relate. I'm not rich, but I do alright. I have a high IQ (according to "official" tests available), but I don't feel I'm smarter than anyone. I however do feel that I'm lazy, and have "cheated" my way through life by cunning rather than legitimately solving problems the way they're "supposed" to. I guess that's a skill in its own right, but it's made it harder for me to actually learn new stuff becau…

Hate to hijack the thread, but a lot of that speaks to me.

    > I have a high IQ, but I don't
    > feel I'm smarter than anyone.
Quite. My recently acquired particular piece of paper puts it beyond any shred of doubt, objectively, but it's only recently I've really acknowledged it. I suspect this has been immensely annoying for people around me.

    > it's made it harder for me to
    > actually learn new stuff
    > because my brain wants to get
    > by with as little work as
    > possible
Yes! A related symptom for me was assuming that people who were good at stuff I'd never bothered to learn were a lot smarter than me.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

#92

I'm probably decently smart, but I'm not rich at all. In fact I'm quite poor by most people's standards. I'm also really happy and work fewer hours per week than anyone I know. If there's one thing I worry about it's that I should be trying to be rich because I probably have the means to make that happen. I might be making 200k/yr if I worked full time. I might be able to start a successful company if I put my mind t…

For intelligent people, it can be nice to go to congresses a lot. Or buy computer gear, like a big GPU rig, just to play with (or develop a business from). Just some examples why money can still be nice.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

#94
post #3

The assumption here is that everyone sees the accumulation of wealth as the most important goal in life. I don't think that's accurate.

Money is just a trading medium. There are an awful lot of things that it can be traded for so there's an awful lot of people with different wants and values where "acquire money" is a necessary step. Those things can then make other things, that money couldn't buy directly, easier.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

#95
I always retell this story when this subject comes up:

When I was 17 in 1989 I was desperate for a job in 'computers' as it was all I knew, I was damn good at programming etc, but had the usual experience trap - no experience equalled no job.

Being naive I paid attention to one of those adverts in the back of the weekend newspapers. I don't know if they were a UK only thing but they had a puzzle and stated that if you could solve it within 1/2 hour you could be a member of Mensa, which if anybody doesn't know is a club for those with a high IQ.

I completed the puzzle then got posted back another one, if I could complete this within an hour I would be invited back to a proper, invigilated exam. Passed both, paid my dues and became a member of the clever club, along with people at the time like Sir Clive Sinclair. My mum was very proud.

I went to one of their meetups shortly afterwards in a bad cheap suit hoping to meet some other clever person who'd recognise my skills and give me a big wad of cash and a job.

It didn't turn out that way. There were 30~ men at one side of the club all staring at their drinks, with 3 woman at the other side about 20 metres away keeping away from the fellas. One woman came in by mistake to the side with the men at which point they all swarmed her. The only topic of conversation they had went like:

"What's your IQ?"

"x"

"oh, mines "

When it came to IQ these people were the top of the pile, with social interaction however they were abjectly hopeless. They'd be able to build you a nuclear bomb, but they wouldn't be able to sell or explain it, or even go to the shop to buy the parts for it.

This encounter came at a good point for me - it made me relax a bit about being 'clever', and showed the importance of other indicators. I let my membership lapse and wince when I occasionally see 'member of Mensa' on a CV.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

#96

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Getting rich is doing instead of thinking. Smart people tend to overthink to much.

Getting rich is having instead of being. Dumb people underthink.

no, being rich is having. in order to get rich, you must do.

many smart people overthink, constantly, and to a fault. it usually manifests in the form of 'what if something goes wrong???' and spirals from there.

any rich person will tell you, things go wrong constantly, and at the worst possible time. the only important thing is your confidence in your ability to fix things when they break.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

#97

I'm probably decently smart, but I'm not rich at all. In fact I'm quite poor by most people's standards. I'm also really happy and work fewer hours per week than anyone I know. If there's one thing I worry about it's that I should be trying to be rich because I probably have the means to make that happen. I might be making 200k/yr if I worked full time. I might be able to start a successful company if I put my mind t…

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Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

#99
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misconception. Most of the self-made / "first generation" rich came from households that weren't poor to begin with. Bill Gates, for example, had a trust fund from his grandfather that gave him a cushion in case he failed. That gave some freedom for him to take calculated risks. What you find is that you need the freedom to be able to take a risk and fail. If you come from a household living paycheck…

> Bill Gates, for example, had a trust fund from his grandfather that gave him a cushion in case he failed. Do you happen to have a source? I'd not heard this and was curious as to the amount.

He discussed the whole plan with his family, and they agreed on it. Secondly, he studied in Harvard, so his family had at least decent amount of money by default.

And then, the thing is that family who was struggling the whole time, won't agree on dropping the best university with wonderful perspectives for some kind of crazy (at the moment it was very "crazy").

People are not "just risky" by default, they are influenced heavily by their life, and as someone mentioned here already, a lot of rich guys came from pretty decent living families, who can afford to fallback if something. For instance, a lot of world travellers, who try to live differently, actually have some passive income, property of just loads of cash, just in case something will go wrong.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

#100

Interesting. I'm a 1%er and I have a piece of paper that says I'm pretty smart, but: > a personality trait marked by > diligence, perseverance and > self-discipline I see myself as pretty lazy, impulsive, and slap-dash, and tend to use my brain to brute-force lazy solutions to problems. I am too lazy and don't have the concentration span to pay attention much in meetings, but can generally utter something profound ne…

IMO everybody is lazy.

The difference is that some people are lazy to do, some are lazy to think, some to interact socially, .. I'm yet to know a person that is not lazy. By observation, I consider that people tend to be lazy in areas where they are not naturally good.

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