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Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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The assumption here is that everyone sees the accumulation of wealth as the most important goal in life. I don't think that's accurate.

this so much. I never cared about aquiring wealth, i want to be able to enjoy most of my life which is usually a different path than the one that brings in most money.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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A truly smart person will have a very impressive, convincing answer to this question.

Having a rich daddy is probably the largest influence in someone's chances of being rich themselves, at least in the US.

There is a good correlation between the wealth of the parent and the wealth of the children in many countries, including the US.

In economics this is called "social mobility" and it is measured to analyze the success of economic and social policies, whereby, generally, it is considered that having a high social mobility index is a desirable thing in a country. That's because a country with high social mobility is a country where the American dream is happening more often...

Social mobility works both ways: in a country with high social mobility, it is more likely that a child will be much poorer, or much richer than the parents.

There is a paper by the OECD analyzing by how much different factors (family wealth, education, etc.) affect wealth of children across different countries: http://www.oecd.org/centrodemexico/medios/44582910.pdf

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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The assumption here is that everyone sees the accumulation of wealth as the most important goal in life. I don't think that's accurate.

I see money as freedom. My ultimate goal is to save enough so that I don't have to work. Eventually, that will be the case, hopefully not on my deathbed. If the majority of the population thought that way, we'd have an economic collapse though, so forget what I said.

Not having to work meaning you will stop working or not having to work giving you freedom to stop but you most likely will not? If the former, what is the thing you will do that you cannot start doing today? I am not rich (in the US sense) and my goals when I was young were to not leave anything until 'pension' (as that is kind of what you decribe but probably at a younger age than typical) so I set up everything so I could do all I want (and those things are modest anyway) before I turn 50. By 42 I did mostly all of them without being rich and while working at the same time (which is also a hobby) and while developing other hobbies and side projects.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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I'm probably decently smart, but I'm not rich at all. In fact I'm quite poor by most people's standards. I'm also really happy and work fewer hours per week than anyone I know. If there's one thing I worry about it's that I should be trying to be rich because I probably have the means to make that happen. I might be making 200k/yr if I worked full time. I might be able to start a successful company if I put my mind t…

How do you spend most of your free time?

I'd say about a 50/50 split between useless things like: hanging out with friends playing video games, riding my bike in traffic in a semi irresponsible manner, smoking weed, climbing trees; and useful things like reverse engineering/modifying things, exploring programming languages, painting/drawing, doing 3D graphics/art, working on various side projects and building things that come to mind.

Some examples of side recent projects if you're interested: a virtual reality strange attractor explorer, a high resolution bike speedometer/light system and a tool to record and subsequently play images from cassette tapes.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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post #25
post #3

The assumption here is that everyone sees the accumulation of wealth as the most important goal in life. I don't think that's accurate.

I see money as freedom. My ultimate goal is to save enough so that I don't have to work. Eventually, that will be the case, hopefully not on my deathbed. If the majority of the population thought that way, we'd have an economic collapse though, so forget what I said.

But I enjoy work. I'm happy that I'm well compensated for the work I do, but even without that I fundamentally enjoy my work.

In fact work is preferable to how I spend a lot of my free time. Would I like to work more flexible hours and get paid the same to work 30 hours instead of 37.5 a week then sure, but otherwise what would money be buying freedom from?

I suppose owning a house out-right would be freedom from worrying about security of housing, and having a large cash reserve in a few currencies would be security from political instability.

Perhaps that I only have to worry about these "big" things means I already qualify as rich from my existing income, but "not working" is definitely not a goal I align to (yet).

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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post #51
post #3

The assumption here is that everyone sees the accumulation of wealth as the most important goal in life. I don't think that's accurate.

this so much. I never cared about aquiring wealth, i want to be able to enjoy most of my life which is usually a different path than the one that brings in most money.

I think that smart or smarts and your definition of wealthy play into it; smart I find being able to do what you set out to do all the time without money holding you back. For some people that means you need to be rich for others (like me) it does not.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) You very much do in some jobs. You can't work 70 or 80 hours every week for long stretches and maintain your physical and mental well being. People really do that, and the ones that can maintain the pace for a few years make boatloads of money. A guy I knew like that was able to afford the best medical care when he had his first heart attack at 43. He may in fact live longer than the bottom 75% of income earners.…

Your point 2) is not correct, I think. The article does not really say that: it says that high IQ is one of the drivers of wealth, but it is not a sufficient condition to determine wealth, because other factors are at play in a meaningful way.

Yes, the article says that, but offers no evidence.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Does it not require intelligence to understand how to be fulfilled without wealth?

I think most of the smartest people have figured out that there are more important things in life than becoming as rich as possible.

Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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Interesting. I'm a 1%er and I have a piece of paper that says I'm pretty smart, but: > a personality trait marked by > diligence, perseverance and > self-discipline I see myself as pretty lazy, impulsive, and slap-dash, and tend to use my brain to brute-force lazy solutions to problems. I am too lazy and don't have the concentration span to pay attention much in meetings, but can generally utter something profound ne…

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Re: IQ is only a minor factor in success

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I'm probably decently smart, but I'm not rich at all. In fact I'm quite poor by most people's standards. I'm also really happy and work fewer hours per week than anyone I know. If there's one thing I worry about it's that I should be trying to be rich because I probably have the means to make that happen. I might be making 200k/yr if I worked full time. I might be able to start a successful company if I put my mind t…

You are like a guru of minimalism and self reliance. Bravo! I feel the same - we don't need so much money because, after fulfilling our basic needs, we have many other sources of fulfillment.
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