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Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Post by 234dd57d2c8db »

zdean wrote: post #13
234dd57d2c8db wrote: post #3

Maybe it's time for somebody to start a company aimed at helping tax cheats avoid the government. Or maybe it's time for illegal immigrants to follow the law, just like thousands of legal immigrants do? Maybe they can pay taxes for the social welfare resources they use, the free college, the free medical expenses. Do you know how frustrating it is for legal immigrants who worked hard to become legal and follow the la…

In regards to paying taxes and social welfare resources, they actually contribute quite a bit: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/... And in a perverse turn of events, they probably help some social welfare programs (ie Social Security) because they can never receive those benefits.

"Donald Trump may not have paid federal income taxes for 20 years, but the undocumented immigrants he rails against certainly have, according to the head of a Latino civic engagement organization."

This is the FIRST SENTENCE of the article. Sorry, but if the first sentence is bashing someone who follows the tax laws because of a political reason, I am not going to be able to say that is a credible source. The article has a strong political bias for illegal immigrants.

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Post by zdean »

234dd57d2c8db wrote: post #21
zdean wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In regards to paying taxes and social welfare resources, they actually contribute quite a bit: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/... And in a perverse turn of events, they probably help some social welfare programs (ie Social Security) because they can never receive those benefits.

"Donald Trump may not have paid federal income taxes for 20 years, but the undocumented immigrants he rails against certainly have, according to the head of a Latino civic engagement organization." This is the FIRST SENTENCE of the article. Sorry, but if the first sentence is bashing someone who follows the tax laws because of a political reason, I am not going to be able to say that is a credible source. The article…

If the SECOND SENTENCE of a comment is a factually false statement, I'll still honor the effort and respond with more accurate (even if imperfect) information ;)

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Post by cryptarch »

mindcrime wrote: post #2

Maybe it's time for somebody to start a company aimed at helping illegal immigrants avoid the government?

I think there's a significant idea hidden in your question. Seeing your username I hope that was intentional.

How about a self-surveillance platform to measure your footprint?

The idea is basically an automated network-level CTF. Get as much data out as possible, then report back with the results. You could do this with a group of friends (feed all your friends data into your analysis box), to yourself (and all your devices baring OS restrictions), or with a larger group of security-minded individuals.

For extra fun, if you're capturing the traffic on your own machines, you could have a tool that extracts network encryption keys from memory, which should work similarly for programs using the same encryption stack, and you then feed that into the network analysis tool.

You could then use this to make sure you're not sending out data you don't want to send out in the first place; ideally you'd get to the point where your analysis tool can decrypt every packet, so that you're sure you're not sending out any data that you don't want to get out.

PANDA looks like an interesting tool to automate the retrieval of encryption keys; it can replay full process executions using a modified version of QEMU, and find procedures that convert high entropy data (i.e. encrypted or compressed data) to lower entropy data.

Coincidentally, if you get this up and running you can also automate the breaking of (encryption-based) DRM; that's just a side effect of gaining fuller control over your general-purpose computer. Oops.

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Post by DanBC »

nodesocket wrote: post #17
evanwolf wrote: post #12

This startup helps hackers track Peter Thiel's immoral startups.

Wait I'm confused. Are you literally upset by this? Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing? If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share for the entitlements and services you and others use then I have zero respect for you.

Undocumented workers still pay tax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_imm...

> The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released a report in February 2016, stating that 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States are paying annually an estimated amount of $11.64 billion in state and local taxes, "on average an estimated 8 percent of their incomes."[25]

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Post by toor2 »

nodesocket wrote: post #17
evanwolf wrote: post #12

This startup helps hackers track Peter Thiel's immoral startups.

Wait I'm confused. Are you literally upset by this? Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing? If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share for the entitlements and services you and others use then I have zero respect for you.

> Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing?

Because the laws are unjust. There is clearly an immigration problem in the United States and I personally don't believe tracking and deporting he people already here will ever contribute to a successful solution.

> If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share for the entitlements and services you and others use then I have zero respect for you.

Many illegal immigrants still pay taxes and will never receive direct benifits for their contribution [0]

Illegal immigrants also work jobs that you would never think of working. Remember when they deported a bunch of immigrants in the south and food was rotting in the fields because no one was there to pick it a few years ago?

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Post by DanBC »

234dd57d2c8db wrote: post #3

Maybe it's time for somebody to start a company aimed at helping tax cheats avoid the government. Or maybe it's time for illegal immigrants to follow the law, just like thousands of legal immigrants do? Maybe they can pay taxes for the social welfare resources they use, the free college, the free medical expenses. Do you know how frustrating it is for legal immigrants who worked hard to become legal and follow the la…

Did you see what dang said to you here? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13191305

I flagged this comment, and your "black people are criminals" comment, because of the tedious race baiting.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13242008

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Post by nodesocket »

DanBC wrote: post #25
nodesocket wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait I'm confused. Are you literally upset by this? Why is enforcing the law and following policies so everybody can make a successful transition to become a US citizen a bad thing? If your illegal, and most likely your not going to pay your fair share for the entitlements and services you and others use then I have zero respect for you.

Undocumented workers still pay tax. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_imm... > The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released a report in February 2016, stating that 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States are paying annually an estimated amount of $11.64 billion in state and local taxes, "on average an estimated 8 percent of their incomes."[25]

That can't be right. According to the Wall Street Journal [1] there is a total of 11 million illegal immigrants in the US as a whole.

[1] - http://www.wsj.com/articles/number-of-illegal-immigrants-in-...

Re: Palantir helps authorities track illegal immigrants

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Post by cryptarch »

nodesocket wrote: post #29
DanBC wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Undocumented workers still pay tax. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_imm... > The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released a report in February 2016, stating that 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States are paying annually an estimated amount of $11.64 billion in state and local taxes, "on average an estimated 8 percent of their incomes."[25]

That can't be right. According to the Wall Street Journal [1] there is a total of 11 million illegal immigrants in the US as a whole. [1] - http://www.wsj.com/articles/number-of-illegal-immigrants-in-...

Estimates range from 11 to 16 million illegal immigrants, though a few years ago the highest one was at 20 million.
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