Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
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Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#2Let me be the first to say I don't care about Flash. All I want is a Linux-compatible netbook running a standard distro with great battery life, 2+ gigs of RAM, a real hard disk and a standard external monitor port. Hardware-accelerated 3D and 1366x768 built-in screen are pluses.
And, for the Flash thing, I would love if ARM decided to pour some money on Gnash development.
Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#3With regard to the low uptake of Linux on netbooks, I checked prices on Dell's website about a year ago. In several cases, the same machine cost more with Linux than WinXP. In another case, the Linux netbook was only offered with 8gb of flash storage while the Windows version was available with real hard drives.
They were also hard to find. For reasons I don't understand, they don't simply offer an operating system option when you're custom-configuring the machine. You have to go looking for it.
The same issues won't affect smartbooks.
Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#4With regard to the low uptake of Linux on netbooks, I checked prices on Dell's website about a year ago. In several cases, the same machine cost more with Linux than WinXP. In another case, the Linux netbook was only offered with 8gb of flash storage while the Windows version was available with real hard drives. They were also hard to find. For reasons I don't understand, they don't simply offer an operating system o…
Yeah, I thought that line was odd. I'm under the impression that people who put linux on netbooks just blow out windows and install Linux over it? Thats what I do anyway.
My first thought was the same as yours, "Well uptake wouldn't be slow if vendors actually offered it!"
Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#5It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that ARM is competing against the faster atom processors, which can run windows and a lot more applications? I would have thought that consumers would see an Atom netbook, compare it to ARM, realise the minimal cost difference and then settle on the Atom based one.
It sounds like they are simply fishing for excuses honestly. Flash may make ARM netbook's more appealing, but if this was the sole reason that they were delayed, the companies interested in creating smartbooks would have simply released the products now, and introduced a flash update later.
I think it probably has more to do with lack of demand. Whilst the ARM processors are good mobile phone CPU's, for laptops/netbooks, it is simply a trade-off of compatibility for slightly lower cost, and it would have to be a significant reduction in cost for salespeople to recommend a foreign processor.
That's just my opinion though. Personally, I used to sell laptops, and I would much rather push Atom netbooks than ARM netbooks.
Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#6It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that ARM is competing against the faster atom processors, which can run windows and a lot more applications? I would have thought that consumers would see an Atom netbook, compare it to ARM, realise the minimal cost difference and then settle on the Atom based one. It sounds like they are simply fishing for excuses honestly. Flash may make ARM netbook's more appe…
I would argue that the smartphone market (and indeed any non-standard desktop OS or hardware) was also held up by lack of Flash support.
You have Intel executives banging on about "the whole internet" or the "real internet" etc. in other words don't buy that (or invest money in offering them for sale) as they don't run Flash. That was their one big talking point against ARM. They even slagged off the iPhone for this despite Apple being a big customer of theirs in other areas.
Intel Blasts iPhone: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10072779-37.html
Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#7With regard to the low uptake of Linux on netbooks, I checked prices on Dell's website about a year ago. In several cases, the same machine cost more with Linux than WinXP. In another case, the Linux netbook was only offered with 8gb of flash storage while the Windows version was available with real hard drives. They were also hard to find. For reasons I don't understand, they don't simply offer an operating system o…
Doesn't Dell also have a history of often not bothering with Linux hardware integration in consumer space, i.e. not installing the proper driver etc. for a laptop's integral pointing device?
Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#8It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that ARM is competing against the faster atom processors, which can run windows and a lot more applications? I would have thought that consumers would see an Atom netbook, compare it to ARM, realise the minimal cost difference and then settle on the Atom based one. It sounds like they are simply fishing for excuses honestly. Flash may make ARM netbook's more appe…
I would argue that the smartphone market (and indeed any non-standard desktop OS or hardware) was also held up by lack of Flash support. You have Intel executives banging on about "the whole internet" or the "real internet" etc. in other words don't buy that (or invest money in offering them for sale) as they don't run Flash. That was their one big talking point against ARM. They even slagged off the iPhone for this…
ZeroGravitas. Apple also banged on in 2004 about how awesome PowerPC was compared to Intel. Remind me what happened 2 years later? Yes, companies do slag others off..
The smartphone market was held up for many other reasons too. It mostly came down to the fact that the mobile OS's sucked at the time. One would have also expected Android/iPhone sales to have been flat without flash support, and this is untrue (Apple have said they refuse to support Flash, and iPhones are unfortunately flying off the shelves).
If you think Flash will suddenly replace the fact that software support for ARM is limited, that the CPU's are slow (and only recently started operating at good enough speeds) and that no major OS's even support ARM (Windows, Ubuntu, redhat, many other major linux distro's) then you should perhaps list EXACTLY what you think consumers need flash for (youtube perhaps would have been one valid reason, but it has been accessible via other means since at least 2006 now).
Whilst technologies such as Flash and ActiveX do still have their uses (hopefully though HTML5 will kill flash), I doubt that the lack of flash would have influenced any manufacturers into delaying an ARM product (which would be slightly cheaper), if they were serious.
Lets face it, The major issues with the iPhone 2G was the lack of applications (and even a javascript refreshing security camera stream caused safari to crash) and on Windows Mobile it was general usability issues. Or do you think these problems would have magically disappeared because of a really-slow version of Flash?
Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#9Let me be the first to say I don't care about Flash. All I want is a Linux-compatible netbook running a standard distro with great battery life, 2+ gigs of RAM, a real hard disk and a standard external monitor port. Hardware-accelerated 3D and 1366x768 built-in screen are pluses. And, for the Flash thing, I would love if ARM decided to pour some money on Gnash development.
I don't think Gnash fixes anything. The reason why flash is so prominent is that there is no good flash-creator-like program out there that outputs files as HTML5/SVG/AJAX/Javascript. People use Flash because it is the only good way to create animations that work for many people, but with a proper editor, we could eliminate the need for additional addons entirely.
Re: Smartbooks have been delayed by Flash issues, says ARM
#10Let me be the first to say I don't care about Flash. All I want is a Linux-compatible netbook running a standard distro with great battery life, 2+ gigs of RAM, a real hard disk and a standard external monitor port. Hardware-accelerated 3D and 1366x768 built-in screen are pluses. And, for the Flash thing, I would love if ARM decided to pour some money on Gnash development.
I don't think Gnash fixes anything. The reason why flash is so prominent is that there is no good flash-creator-like program out there that outputs files as HTML5/SVG/AJAX/Javascript. People use Flash because it is the only good way to create animations that work for many people, but with a proper editor, we could eliminate the need for additional addons entirely.
But if Gnash can run anything the Flash "IDE" outputs, then everything works. If enough people start using non-Adobe implementations of Flash, applications will have to be tested against those implementations.