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Re: Major Facebook security hole lets you view your friends’ live chats

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"Criminal" is a term that only applies if you are caught.

No, "convicted criminal" is a term that only applies if you are caught.

No, "convicted criminal" is a term that only applies if you are caught, prosecuted, law enforcement carries out the investigation properly, you're not lucky with the pick of the judge, they have better lawyers than you do, and you don't accept a plea bargain.

Re: Major Facebook security hole lets you view your friends’ live chats

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No, "convicted criminal" is a term that only applies if you are caught.

No, "convicted criminal" is a term that only applies if you are caught, prosecuted, law enforcement carries out the investigation properly, you're not lucky with the pick of the judge, they have better lawyers than you do, and you don't accept a plea bargain.

Taking the plea bargain counts as a conviction.

Re: Major Facebook security hole lets you view your friends’ live chats

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Well, a lot of this is the flip side of FaceBook's "changes are pushed to the live site as soon as they're checked in" policy. That lets them innovate quickly, but also means that whenever anyone screws up, it's immediately visible in a very public way. Other companies have release processes and QA procedures to stop this.

Every single line of code is peer reviewed by at least 2 people before it can be pushed.

But tested by nobody?

What happens to the reviewers that let this thing slip through, btw?

Re: Major Facebook security hole lets you view your friends’ live chats

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I think you are missing the point on that one. Kernel maintainers are striving to produce a good product. Those that "trample privacy" are not out to produce anything except profits. Think about the hypocrisy that would be involved if they were offended by their chats being published if they push for similar data (others' data) to be public.

So vigilante justice is morally defensible now? I'd like to hear about your complete ethical system.

What piece of what I said made it defensible? I was merely explaining away the concept that it applies to engineers like it does for "privacy tramplers."

Re: Major Facebook security hole lets you view your friends’ live chats

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No, "convicted criminal" is a term that only applies if you are caught, prosecuted, law enforcement carries out the investigation properly, you're not lucky with the pick of the judge, they have better lawyers than you do, and you don't accept a plea bargain.

Taking the plea bargain counts as a conviction.

That's true. I might add that it's also possible to strike a deal where the whole thing is stricken from your record after x years, but we're taking this a bit too far at that point!

Re: Major Facebook security hole lets you view your friends’ live chats

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> I hope you're just joking, as I think you are. Think again. If it would have been me discovering this (not that I'm nearly smart enough to do so, but hypothetically speaking) I would have definitely used it against FB management. They run roughshod over the rights of their users every chance they get, they really need a wake-up call about why privacy matters and that they ought to be more responsible when it comes…

And that would have made you a criminal.

That would have potentially made me a criminal. But sometimes you need to stand up for what you think is right even if there are consequences.
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