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Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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The problem with generalizing about Reddit is not its size, it's that Reddit is made up of a bunch of separate forums with separate mods and rules and users and so forth. It's just a place where discussion boards live. Reddit : forums :: Blogspot : blogs.

I used to make more or less this same argument, by analogy to Usenet, phpBB forums, etc. My take now is that this falls apart in that the pathologies of reddit are down to a shared platform (the voting system, moderation tools, etc.), userbase, and site culture. While it's true that userbase and culture are differentiated between subreddits, they aren't really isolated enough, and maybe more importantly, things like…

> the pathologies of reddit are down to a shared platform (the voting system, moderation tools, etc.), userbase, and site culture.

I don't buy this, not a whit. I think /r/the_donald and /r/woodworking are as different as any two phpbb messageboards on the pre-reddit internet ever were. What is the same between them (the voting, mod tools, etc) are not opinionated enough to affect the culture, they are the bare minimum necessary to make the site work.

I don't think Reddit has changed as much as you think it has. It had its share of racists and trolls back in the halcyon days you remember, and it dealt with them (or didn't) pretty much the same way back then as it does now. If anything it is doing better on that score. But I do agree that something has changed, and I have a theory on what that is, which I will now share with you (and the one or two people who ever read HN comment threads more than a day old):

I think that what's changed is the, shall we say, meta-conversation about Reddit in the larger media. For the past 2-3 years or so, the question, "Is Reddit racist/sexist/etc?" has been a newsworthy one. Like any newsworthy topic, it has generated commentary: pro- and con- essays, nuanced opinions and dumb ones, insightful well-researched articles and misleading clickbait journalism, blog posts, FB comments, etc, etc. It spawned numerous sub-controversies (Did Ellen Pao make things better or worse? Was banning /r/whatever censorship or not?), each of which was a new opportunity for all of the bloggers and journalists and randos to weigh in again and argue some more.

Point is, if you follow this meta-conversation, by reading articles about Gamergate and Ellen Pao and so forth, you are exposed to much more of the worst Reddit has to offer than you would've been simply by using Reddit as a discussion forum to talk about fly-fishing or programming or whatever it is you went there to chat about. From the sounds of it, you did follow this stuff, at least casually. And it seems plausible to me that that changed your opinion more than any real change in the underlying "character" of Reddit (to the extent that such a thing even exists).

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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One story, all credibility, huh? You must live in a world where nobody is credible. The New York Times has suffered hits to its credibility, fake photographers, plagiarism and such, but that doesn't necessarily negate all the work done by their talented staff. There's still good work being done there despite those setbacks. It's a fallacy to instantly discount everything as without merit, putting it on the same level…

> One story, all credibility, huh? Yes. The "story" made specific criminal accusations. > You must live in a world where nobody is credible. Publications are held to a different standard. > New York Times... but that doesn't necessarily negate all the work It just means you can no longer trust the publication. > putting it on the same level as Breitbart Here we go. Tell me what's wrong with Breitbart?

> Tell me what's wrong with Breitbart?

You have got to be fucking kidding.

If you don't know what's wrong with Breitbart you have absolutely no place to criticize anyone.

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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No I didn't, that was `astrodust`, not me. I was just providing an example of something that was wrong with them.

Sorry, my mistake. On the other hand.. You answered for them? Only astrodust can know what problem astrodust has with Breitbart...

You must be living under a rock. They're a tabloid on par with Weekly World News.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/14/media/breitbart-incendiary-h...

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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Comments are one of the only time effective ways to challenge news stories. Indeed editorials in newspapers used to be a mode of public discourse. If we consider VICE a legitimate news outlet, then this a sad day.

There's a difference between reasonable public discourse and incessant trolls spamming, which is what 95% of all vice comments was. Any type of actual argument or discussion were drowned out by a multitude of "ugh another trash article by shitty vice" which doesn't add anything to the discussion whatsoever.

Yes it does. Perhaps if they got enough of these they would stop publishing trash.

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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Write a letter and sign your name.

Nobody except Vice gets to see that, and since nobody sees them Vice won't feel pressured into correcting their article.

Oh so trolls are helpful correctors lol.

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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I used to make more or less this same argument, by analogy to Usenet, phpBB forums, etc. My take now is that this falls apart in that the pathologies of reddit are down to a shared platform (the voting system, moderation tools, etc.), userbase, and site culture. While it's true that userbase and culture are differentiated between subreddits, they aren't really isolated enough, and maybe more importantly, things like…

> the pathologies of reddit are down to a shared platform (the voting system, moderation tools, etc.), userbase, and site culture. I don't buy this, not a whit. I think /r/the_donald and /r/woodworking are as different as any two phpbb messageboards on the pre-reddit internet ever were. What is the same between them (the voting, mod tools, etc) are not opinionated enough to affect the culture, they are the bare minim…

Eh. I see your point. I'll grant that it's more or less true, from a certain angle: My thoughts on reddit are influenced as much, these days, by its effect on the wider world as by experience on the site itself. My direct participation trailed off some 3 or 4 years ago, judging by my comment history there. On the other hand, my participation tailed off in part because being on the site was becoming actively unpleasant, and I think that the direct experience of phenomena like GG is a reasonable basis for judging a community that fosters them.

(To be clear, I think a lot of the delta here is a question of scale as much as anything. I'm well aware that there were always virulent racists and ideological misogynists present in the userbase.)

Anyway, we disagree and that is that. Thanks for a reasonable interaction.

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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post #211

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> the pathologies of reddit are down to a shared platform (the voting system, moderation tools, etc.), userbase, and site culture. I don't buy this, not a whit. I think /r/the_donald and /r/woodworking are as different as any two phpbb messageboards on the pre-reddit internet ever were. What is the same between them (the voting, mod tools, etc) are not opinionated enough to affect the culture, they are the bare minim…

Eh. I see your point. I'll grant that it's more or less true, from a certain angle: My thoughts on reddit are influenced as much, these days, by its effect on the wider world as by experience on the site itself. My direct participation trailed off some 3 or 4 years ago, judging by my comment history there. On the other hand, my participation tailed off in part because being on the site was becoming actively unpleasan…

Likewise!

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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Did the pixels offend you? Block everyone who disagrees with you. Now you know why no one you knew voted for Trump. If the left is obsessed with turning their entire belief system into a remake of the 1930s radio model (One story teller allowed, millions of listeners), then we will get 1930s results. Meanwhile, I'll be using the internet the way Jesus 2.0 intended and engaging in robust anonymous communication networ…

"Did the pixels offend you? Block everyone who disagrees with you."

It's called freedom of association. No one is owed a hearing by there mere presence online or even offline from private organizations and private citizens.

"If the left is obsessed with turning their entire belief system into a remake of the 1930s radio model (One story teller allowed, millions of listeners), then we will get 1930s results."

That's exactly what the web is. It's a pull model. They post pages, you send a GET request to see the content. Don't like the content then don't send the GET request.

"Meanwhile, I'll be using the internet the way Jesus 2.0 intended and engaging in robust anonymous communication networks to inoculate myself from feinting pearl-clutchers and other paid government emotion hackers."

It's intended for individuals and private organizations to freely choose how to disseminate/consume their content. If that offends you then maybe you're the pearl-clutcher here perhaps?

"I'll give you one guess which ecosystem will survive when the powers that be realized their precious fourth estate no longer works like it did in the 1930s."

Sure and magically cable tv and talk radio will disappear from the Earth. /s

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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I don't get the infatuation people have with comment sections. Most of the time they're full of spam or really bad trolls. If you want to share your ideas maybe you should host a blog or a vlog (on YouTube) where people are willing to engage you. I know people like to socialize but not every site needs a comment section. Go on Discord, Twitter, Reddit, Slack, or whatever. That site you think needs a comment section doesn't owe anyone a space to share ideas.

Re: Getting Rid of Comments on Vice.com

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Sorry, my mistake. On the other hand.. You answered for them? Only astrodust can know what problem astrodust has with Breitbart...

You must be living under a rock. They're a tabloid on par with Weekly World News . http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/14/media/breitbart-incendiary-h...

You're linking to CNN, who told us that it was illegal for anyone but CNN journalists to read Wikileaks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X16_KzX1vE
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