The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
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The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
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Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
#2At first, I thought the title was a mistake, as the letter speaks of 'neutrons' throughout. But it turns out that the term 'neutrino' came only later:
'Pauli earlier (in 1930) had used the term "neutron" for both the neutral particle that conserved energy in beta decay, and a presumed neutral particle in the nucleus, and initially did not consider these two neutral particles as distinct from each other'
Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
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Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
#4At first, I thought the title was a mistake, as the letter speaks of 'neutrons' throughout. But it turns out that the term 'neutrino' came only later: 'Pauli earlier (in 1930) had used the term "neutron" for both the neutral particle that conserved energy in beta decay, and a presumed neutral particle in the nucleus, and initially did not consider these two neutral particles as distinct from each other' (from https:/…
I thought the HN headline was incorrect until I read Pauli was looking for a particle of ~0.01 proton mass (neutrons and protons are about the same mass).
Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
#5Basically Pauli can't get his dear theory to work so has to invent magic dark matter to get the theory to match the experiments. This 'quantum' atom looks more and more like ptolemaic epicycles.
Clearly we need to throw the theory away and start from scratch.
[this being the internet: /s ]
Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
#6At first, I thought the title was a mistake, as the letter speaks of 'neutrons' throughout. But it turns out that the term 'neutrino' came only later: 'Pauli earlier (in 1930) had used the term "neutron" for both the neutral particle that conserved energy in beta decay, and a presumed neutral particle in the nucleus, and initially did not consider these two neutral particles as distinct from each other' (from https:/…
Thank you, I too was confused by this
Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
#7Basically Pauli can't get his dear theory to work so has to invent magic dark matter to get the theory to match the experiments. This 'quantum' atom looks more and more like ptolemaic epicycles. Clearly we need to throw the theory away and start from scratch. [this being the internet: /s ]
I came here to snark this exact snark.
Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
#8The beginning "Dear Radioactives" is a classic, we even learnt it at school
Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
#9Basically Pauli can't get his dear theory to work so has to invent magic dark matter to get the theory to match the experiments. This 'quantum' atom looks more and more like ptolemaic epicycles. Clearly we need to throw the theory away and start from scratch. [this being the internet: /s ]
I came here to snark this exact snark.
best part is that neutrinos are literally dark matter.
Re: The Proposal of the Neutrino (1930)
#10Basically Pauli can't get his dear theory to work so has to invent magic dark matter to get the theory to match the experiments. This 'quantum' atom looks more and more like ptolemaic epicycles. Clearly we need to throw the theory away and start from scratch. [this being the internet: /s ]
It's Pauli who's being the principled scientist here, though. He comes up with something that explains the experimental result and fits established theory.
The epicyclist in this case was Bohr - his idea was that maybe conservation of energy is just a suggestion.