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How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Can you identify specifically the critical features of OS X that aren't replicable with a reasonable amount of effort on other systems? I've spent considerable time using all 3 major OSes as daily drivers and while each platform has perks, I've never felt a strong commitment to OS X for daily use. I'm curious what many people feel is so crucial about it that they'd consider switching to the massively unstable Hackint…

macOS is great because it combines a flawless UNIX system (with homebrew, the only package manager I've been satisfied with) and a nice GUI with apps that work/look great by default. Linux has a massive lack of good apps. Simple things like a decent calendar app on Linux doesn't seem to exist.

Homebrew is a children's toy compared to APT or Portage. There's no argument about general polish or calendar apps in particular though.

It's a trade off. You can have rough edges but community control and 100+ backup plans, or you can have sleek, polished, but at the mercy of next year's soldered RAM and SSD pricing guidelines. I personally love breaking things to figure out how they work, but some people have a job to do and can't deal with distractions.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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The lack of affordable storage in the retina and up laptops and even desktops has been a deal breaker for me. I am on a five year old mbp and am seriously considering a hackintosh to be a daily driver. That's a whole big can of worms though.

Can you identify specifically the critical features of OS X that aren't replicable with a reasonable amount of effort on other systems? I've spent considerable time using all 3 major OSes as daily drivers and while each platform has perks, I've never felt a strong commitment to OS X for daily use. I'm curious what many people feel is so crucial about it that they'd consider switching to the massively unstable Hackint…

Spaces, the windows 10 version won't fill that gap for me until I can assign apps to specific spaces so that they always open there, as well as key shortcuts e.g. Ctrl 1 to go to space 1. Also remembering my setup through shutdowns.

Quick look - so useful.

Screenshotting (cmd shift 4, cmd shift space etc) and annotations via preview app. Windows expects me to draw highlight boxes by hand which rapidly looks unprofessional.

Using cmd shift 4 to measure pixels for web design work.

Exposé is nice, not sure if Windows has something like that, I think it does?

Spotlight was a big one for me too but I believe Windows does that justice now with Windows button search.

iMessage on desktop is actually a big deal for me, being that most of my friends and family have apple devices. Being on Windows and wanting to send someone a quick link is frustrating when you're used to having iMessage.

As others have mentioned, it's all the small things. Admittedly I haven't looked at Linux on the desktop for a while so this is mostly based on comparisons with Windows.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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> My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful Compared to a five year old 17"? More like double the power. And unbelievably faster SSD (even if you have a…

Also @beat forgot to say "matte display". MATTE. Mine is a 6 year old 17 inches MBP and I still use it for everything. It's still current. I can also rip CDs with it (it is handy children) :) I've even found a VERY simple way to dual boot Windows 10 on it after trying to get the instructions I found everywhere to work (after Apple made sure it was indeed difficult). I even play games on it. To me it was the reference…

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

I have a 15" 2012 MBP Retina that still works amazingly well. But... I wanted to do side project work on the train ride to/from work and the MBP is just too big for my backpack and cumbersome to use if I'm sitting next to someone else.

I picked up a Chromebook so I'd have a smaller (11") device to work on. I did a bunch of research and ended up with an Acer C720-3404 (a specific model that has 4GB of RAM, when most only have 2GB, and has a legit Core i3 CPU instead of a Celeron, so it actually had great horsepower. And I managed to find one with an upgraded 128GB SSD for $150 on craigslist. I spent a bunch of time messing around with it and ended up with an EFI boot system, Clover bootloader, and a triple boot setup with Windows 10, Ubuntu 16.10 & Mac OS X El Capitan. Sounds great, but it has its downsides. Win10 has to run in some test mode so the custom drivers will work, OSX wifi is flakey and stops working periodically, Linux would randomly crash and I was never able to get the trackpad setup juuuuuuust right so I can use the smaller keyboard without my palms causing issues. I was able to get some work done with it, but eventually it turned into me spending more time maintaining the system than being productive.

So I'm selling the Chromebook and I bought a 2013 MacBook Air to replace it. I spent probably 4x as much on the Air, but it just works, I can triple boot it the same way if I want, and it has a Core i7 and 8GB of RAM, and the battery life is like 10+ hours. That and the overall quality is just better.

The Chromebook was fun to mess around with, but I'm more productive with a Mac.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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If only there were a wired protocol that is high-speed, has a standard connector, can deliver power, and has both bandwidth and latency controls ... wouldn't that be wonderful? Then we wouldn't have to reinvent all of these wires. (Yes, sarcasm. That protocol is called Ethernet. And basically every high-speed interface we currently have is a bad reimplementation of it for political reasons.)

Ethernet is not as cheap as USB 2 for low-cost/low-performance devices. And it's not as fast (plus higher overhead) than Thunderbolt for high perfomance applications. Thunderbolt is (very loosely speaking) PCIe extended outside of the computer. (And yes, I'm assuming bare ethernet frames, not IP or such)

100Gb ethernet seems to be faster than Thunderbolt (max 40Gb). PCI Express v4 x16 does win at ~250Gb, but 400Gb ethernet is in the works.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Sacrificing the keyboard and battery for a thinner housing was a mistake. I upgraded my Macbook Pro 13" with 16GB of memory, a 250GB SSD, a 1TB HDD and a Bluetooth 4.0 internal card. I'll keep this for a few years.

I agree. I am keeping my 2012 i7 MBP for a few more years. Upgraded to 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, still got a useful DVD writer and plethora of incredibly useful ports all without dongles! And MagSafe.

We should start a group of happy 2012 MacBook Pro users. Let's just say that I've been eligible for a work upgrade for 2, going on 3, years now. :)

Unfortunately, I've lost Bluetooth at some point. I've meant to debug (and replace the card if needed).

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

I have a 15" 2012 MBP Retina that still works amazingly well. But... I wanted to do side project work on the train ride to/from work and the MBP is just too big for my backpack and cumbersome to use if I'm sitting next to someone else. I picked up a Chromebook so I'd have a smaller (11") device to work on. I did a bunch of research and ended up with an Acer C720-3404 (a specific model that has 4GB of RAM, when most o…

I just can't wrap my head around the idea of a 15" laptop being too big to fit in a backpack or work on comfortably. On the other hand, these tiny laptops that people wax poetically about seem comically small to me. In college, I had a 10" Asus eeePC that I picked up cheap to take to class, since my main computer was a beastly 17" HP, and there was no way in hell that that would balance on the tiny little flip-up desk arms on lecture auditorium seats. I couldn't physically fit both hands on the keyboard, and had to learn how to type with just my left hand. It was passable for typing a few notes and dicking around on the internet, but I cannot fathom trying to actually do work on it, simply because of the ergonomics of something that tiny.

Even going up to the 13" form-factor that appears to be all the rage these days, it's tough when I hold one up next to one of the 27" monitors attached to my desktop, and notice that it is only one quarter of the screen area. And I've got four of those arranged 2x2 at my desk.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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This is exactly the type of attitude that makes me dread the future. Why invest in technology at all? Wires are great, honestly. Easy to debug and use. The original zero config.

I can tell you never used token ring. :)

How about trying to find the PC with the beaconing condition? That shuts down the entire ring? Usually someone copied another DOS PC configuration that uses the same Token Ring address. Engineers were good for that. 1994 or 1995 and they bought a new PC and instead of filling out sheets to have IT set up the PC they tried to do it themselves.
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