So these click the ads presented to the user -- from their IP, so the user is still identified?
AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As it becomes more of an issue you start seeing more and more anti-blocking scripts. That seems incredibly tone deaf. Advertisers should be working on fixing the problems. Get rid of tracking, get rid of scripts, make promises about acceptable ad size and latency and every year reduce those numbers.
Ad blockers aren't a problem for advertisers since people using ad blockers likely aren't going to click on your ads anyhow. They are a problem for content creators.
they become a problem for advertising networks when they are no-longer able to proved enough money to be worth the content creators time to accept/administrate.
And when a network ad-spots start drying up, the advertisers will have to switch.
at least, that's how I'd hope it would work.
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#203Actually slows down browsing for me, going back to ublock for now
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ad blockers aren't a problem for advertisers since people using ad blockers likely aren't going to click on your ads anyhow. They are a problem for content creators.
they become a problem for advertising networks when they are no-longer able to proved enough money to be worth the content creators time to accept/administrate. And when a network ad-spots start drying up, the advertisers will have to switch. at least, that's how I'd hope it would work.
Where do you expect the advertisers will switch to? Nah whats going to happen is that sites will just start doing one of two things. a) they will start blocking users that appear to be using ad blockers. b) they will start including ads in ways that make ad blockers ineffective. Embedding them in content or proxying the ads to come from the host itself.
Ads aren't going away.
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#205Very cool name. Fitting.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I was just responding to OP's claim that since the protocol doesn't specify I know. The examples were still factually incorrect straw-men. > it must be legal and ethical to block them That's the point; it is legal and ethical to use data that was voluntarily given. If you want control over how things are used , stop sending to everybody freely and require a contract. > harass those who spend money on them. Clicking…
>Clicking a link isn't harassment. You are making people lose money (not the malware adnetworks, not the trackers, but the guy buying advertisement) to prove a point to the ad-network (which is actually making money off this), I consider it close to harassment.
No, the advertisers are choosing not to pay the content creators. By blocking or using auto clickers the users are only choosing to not reveal the personal information that is sold by the content creator to the advertisers(even if the content creators don't get to see it, or cant make use of it). On tv and in movies the prestige was what advertisers where getting from ads, they would pay to have the ads carried on the same networks as great content. They wouldn't stop me from talking over an ad or closing my eyes while one was on, and I wasn't "stealing" by doing so. My part of that system was buying the cable package or the movie ticket, funding the general delivery system. Whats happened now is that content creators have taken a bad deal and started selling our personal information rather then the actual prestige of being next to their content. This is perfect for advertisers as it then sets the fight up to be between content creators and their audience, when it should be content creators and their audience working for a better deal.
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#207Anyone else find the Author/Developer separation odd. I mean it is a software project, so the developers are the authors. If you don't write the software, what are you the author of?
It's not too different to having capital, employing programmers to do the work, yet you own the business/IP.
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#208At first I thought this was a great idea, but then I thought about it more. I think this is the digital equivalent of an angry mob throwing bricks through windows. We aren't doing any good, just destroying the community we live in. What would it be like if all the content creators that are incentivized by ad revenue lost their revenue? And we lost their content? I don't like being placed into an artificial bubble of…
Clicking ads isn't vandalism, property destruction, or incitement to riot. Describing automated following of ad URLs as an "angry mob throwing bricks through windows" misleadingly associates an ad clicker with violence. This is a problem because it tends to lead to ...
> destroying the community we live in.
... thinking in terms of violence.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Micropayments have never worked well on the internet, not for technical problems, but likely more that the market isn't really there. I know I just want free stuff and I'm not going to pay to read a news article or blog post no matter how well written or researched. So at the end of the day there is still no viable alternative to advertising supported content. Kill advertising and you'll take the content with it, bec…
I for one think killing content is a good thing. The web is full of garbage and it would be great to rid of 90% of it. Content for the sake of content does not deserve to exist.
Absolutely! The web is FULL of garbage! I get humor out of these posts on HN, because it's pretty clear there's the group of people (myself included) that see advertising as a kind of assault on free will (which it is), and then there's the group of people who are obviously running some kind of content or business supported by advertising who are reeling at the thought of people out there that are so militant against the means through which their business survives. Reading the comments here that are pro-advertising to me have every marker of "You are calling my business a pile of shit".
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#210Good. I'm done being nice to advertisers. They are actively poisoning the internet in more ways than one. They had their chance to work out better ways to advertise, and they instead redoubled assaults on attention. This is getting installed on all of my browsers on all of my PCs. If your startup is advertising based, find a different model, or do without my business. I have no obligation to help you fund yourself or…
The problem is you're viewing advertisers as a monolith.
Aren't they? I thought 90% of ads would be spread over a tiny handful of advertisers.