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AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by sanswork »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #177
sanswork wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're willing to trade your time for feeling connected? That's a shame. They offer Prime video in Poland? I don't even think we get it in Australia :/

> So you're willing to trade your time for feeling connected? Well, yes - that's life, basically :). Writing a comment here is also me trading time for feeling connected ;). > That's a shame. They offer Prime video in Poland? I don't even think we get it in Australia :/ I'm surprised, I thought Australia is usually right after US in such things. As for Poland, they've started offering it something like a week ago. I…

Sadly not, Australia is actually usually pretty far behind. Luckily being Canadian and having lived in the US I have access but it's a pain.

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by CaptSpify »

phyller wrote: post #181

At first I thought this was a great idea, but then I thought about it more. I think this is the digital equivalent of an angry mob throwing bricks through windows. We aren't doing any good, just destroying the community we live in. What would it be like if all the content creators that are incentivized by ad revenue lost their revenue? And we lost their content? I don't like being placed into an artificial bubble of…

They aren't losing their revenue. They are losing a poor method for generating said revenue. Revenue can and is gained via better methods.

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by TeMPOraL »

hxegon wrote: post #169
megous wrote: post #161

I approach this differently. There are a few use cases I go to the web for. For each use case that is not a free browsing I create an electron app, that never executes any code from the web or uses any external style. It only uses XHR to fetch html pages/json data/other static stuff and then transforms that data and uses it in the custom UI designed for the use case. For example one use case is collection of news. My…

Do you have a repo up with the code?

Seconding. I totally want to start doing this myself.

That, and finally write a decent Hacker News suite for Emacs.

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by sanswork »

You sound like a child who is trying to sound like a lawyer right now. There is no contract required nor have I indicated there needs to be. I don't know why you lot keep going back to "I didn't sign a legally binding contract!".

Why did you walk in if you had no clue what was in there? Why did you click the link if you had no clue what was on the other side? Because you wanted the content.

I'm not saying to have to observe everything in the room or respond to it. I'm not even arguing against ad blocking as you would know had you read the thread.

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by hedora »

_m7bj wrote: post #35
WhitneyLand wrote: post #14

I'm out on this. 1. They say it's legally not click fraud. To me it sounds like regular fraud: "deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right". I'm not concerned with breaking the law I just don't want to act in the spirit of it. 2. This could hurt small startups that are very carefully managing an ad budget. They say the market will adjust, but until it does small startups take…

>3. I dislike activism without clear objectives. I see no list of guidelines here or good behavior that companies could adopt to immediately place them on the side of the good guys. The goal highly specific. It is to make Internet advertising artificially expensive, and it is to make harvested data about users inaccurate. There are no "good guys" on the other side. People shouldn't track me, that one's obvious, but t…

Any time an industry declares war on its users (as ad tracking did years ago), it gets ugly. I thought the endgame would be manipulating analytics to get extremely specific, high mistargeted auction prices:

I'm shopping for a $1.3M turbine part. It will look nice next to my hand made tibetan merino wool cat stand that I am also shopping for. Of course my eyeballs are worth $1000/minute. Why do you ask?

As mean as these guys are, they could be a lot worse.

Anyway, kudos to the extension authors!

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by rdw »

phyller wrote: post #181

At first I thought this was a great idea, but then I thought about it more. I think this is the digital equivalent of an angry mob throwing bricks through windows. We aren't doing any good, just destroying the community we live in. What would it be like if all the content creators that are incentivized by ad revenue lost their revenue? And we lost their content? I don't like being placed into an artificial bubble of…

False dichotomy. There is a third alternative: a non-abusive advertising model takes over the industry.

It's certainly plausible. All pre-internet advertising avoided tracking of individuals. There exist even now advertising agencies that cannot possibly serve up malware to their customers. Arguably Google achieved its great success by being a less-abusive advertising platform in its day.

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by CaptSpify »

ucarion wrote: post #164
sanswork wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct you took no action to interface with them besides walking. But if you walk into a room where just a musician is playing(and its advertised that this is whats happening in the room) you have now created a relationship where you've chosen to receive their art. And if they have a poster for their sponsor on the wall behind them you can't complain about it.

Online ads also track you, and are often executed in poor taste. It's as though most of the posters had a camera and bright flashing lights.

And then followed you home and wanted to know what you eat for breakfast, even though it had nothing to do with the musical performance.

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by phyller »

rdw wrote: post #196
phyller wrote: post #181

At first I thought this was a great idea, but then I thought about it more. I think this is the digital equivalent of an angry mob throwing bricks through windows. We aren't doing any good, just destroying the community we live in. What would it be like if all the content creators that are incentivized by ad revenue lost their revenue? And we lost their content? I don't like being placed into an artificial bubble of…

False dichotomy. There is a third alternative: a non-abusive advertising model takes over the industry. It's certainly plausible. All pre-internet advertising avoided tracking of individuals. There exist even now advertising agencies that cannot possibly serve up malware to their customers. Arguably Google achieved its great success by being a less-abusive advertising platform in its day.

What advertising model are you suggesting? Perhaps it could be added to the Readme on the repo to help point advertisers in the right direction.

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by sosuke »

djsumdog wrote: post #124
k1m wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are no "good guys" on the other side. People shouldn't track me, that one's obvious, but they also shouldn't advertise at me, ever. Agree. I think it's unfortunate that so much of the debate around advertising, especially from many on the side of ad blocking, focuses only on the evils of tracking and privacy erosion. This project does it too. From their FAQ: "It is not advertising we are protesting, but adver…

I've hated ads since I was a kid. I never realized it until back around 2010 when I overheard my friends say, "he really hates advertising. Have you noticed that?" and I was like, "Wait, it's .. noticeable?" Modern advertising is specifically engineered to evoke an emotional response in order to buy a product. The mother/fathers of modern advertising are none other than Edward Bernays and Anna Freud. (Sigmund Freud's…

Oh oh oh, have you seen the advertisements by Sprint. I swear I hear fans kick on in my head to keep it cool when trying to unwrap their current marketing line. They have two Christmas trees (or haircuts) next to each other. One has twice the price because it has 1% more needles or 1% more cut hair. They say "would you pay twice as much for 1% more?". I think it is a genius framing of the data.

Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse

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Post by dispose13432 »

pdkl95 wrote: post #190
dispose13432 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just responding to OP's claim that since the protocol doesn't specify that I'll be watching ads, it must be legal and ethical to block them and harass those who spend money on them.

> I was just responding to OP's claim that since the protocol doesn't specify I know. The examples were still factually incorrect straw-men. > it must be legal and ethical to block them That's the point; it is legal and ethical to use data that was voluntarily given. If you want control over how things are used , stop sending to everybody freely and require a contract. > harass those who spend money on them. Clicking…

>Clicking a link isn't harassment.

You are making people lose money (not the malware adnetworks, not the trackers, but the guy buying advertisement) to prove a point to the ad-network (which is actually making money off this), I consider it close to harassment.

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