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Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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> What came out of this deal not only saved Apple and the Mac,

Er... interesting revisionism, here. That acquisition didn't do much to save Apple from the financial hole it had dug for itself.

Bill Gates is really what saved Apple back then.

Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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My father's most regretted financial move is ignoring his weird thought to buy 10 shares of Apple stock at this time.

My dad remembers his broker calling him up at various times and trying to get him to buy Apple because it was basically worthless (which is also why he didn't buy it). Wouldn't have taken much to make a lot of money. Of course, most people, even if that lucky, would have sold early iPod era thinking "This can't continue" and wouldn't have made the profits they would if they held until the last year or two.

I bought some Apple stock in 2000 or so (then sold and re-bought it in 2001 when I switched brokerages). Maybe 7 or 8 years ago I put in a limit order to sell off some of it but it fortuitously expired. At this point, the annual dividend payout exceeds my purchase price.

Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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Thanks. Maybe I can get to it over the Holidays.

I found Becoming Steve Jobs by Schlender & Tetzeli to be a much more informative read than Isaacson's official biography, particularly on the intersection of Jobs/Next/Pixar/Apple.

Thanks, I'd like to read both.

Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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"I’d argue that this is probably the single most important tech acquisition of all time." However, it was not Apple's first choice. They first attempted to acquire Be Inc. (BeOS) but Jean-Louis Gassée held out for $275 million and lost the deal in a surprise move when Apple, instead, bought NeXT.

Now that would be an interesting alternate timeline! / MacBook Pro with Blinkenlights bar /

The Mac would not have been a huge success probably in that scenario.

Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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>> What came out of this deal not only saved Apple and the Mac, but made the iPhone, iPad and more possible as well. What prevents Apple from making the iPhone and iPad? They could have bought Palm, QNX, did something based on Linux... What was the key? BSD? Objective-C? I don't see those being that important. The one thing NeXT did enable them to do was the PowerPC to Intel switch.

Steve Jobs, the team he assembled, and a willingness to cut. Apple at the time was running the Newton which, although I loved programming it, was a totally wrong direction. It just wasn't connected as Mr. Jobs explained in his Q&A[1]. He built a much better OS than the Mac at that time. Palm couldn't build the iPhone with Palm and had to build WebOS. QNX is amazing, but its UI and client developer library wasn't ther…

I don't understand the Taligent reference. Taligent happened while Jobs was out of Apple -- it was a competitor to NeXT back when everything was about "object-oriented desktops", and Jobs didn't like them, much like he didn't like OpenDoc, for pretty good technical reasons. It's not surprising that Taligent went nowhere, same as OpenDoc.

Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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This is demonstrably false. MacOS Copland was scrapped in favor of a descendant of NeXTSTEP that became MacOS X. Hundreds (thousands?) of API calls in both Desktop iOS development are prefaced NS_ ... that is NeXTSTEP

This is ridiculous pedantry, but the "NS" prefix actually means "Next / Sun". It was introduced in OpenStep [1], which was supposed to become Sun's GUI layer on Solaris until Java happened. Before the OpenStep revamp, the class prefix used in NeXTSTEP was "NX". I think there are still some lingering NX* classes/functions you might see in AppKit stack traces. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStep

I think people forget that NeXT and its OS had some time to evolve. NeXT had .8 in 1988 and 1.0 in 1989. So, we are talking 8ish years of evolution and API changes. Going from the pre-web to WebObjects and its influence on the API.

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This is ridiculous pedantry, but the "NS" prefix actually means "Next / Sun". It was introduced in OpenStep [1], which was supposed to become Sun's GUI layer on Solaris until Java happened. Before the OpenStep revamp, the class prefix used in NeXTSTEP was "NX". I think there are still some lingering NX* classes/functions you might see in AppKit stack traces. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStep

That's an amazing factoid. "NS" standing for NeXTSTEP would then be a popular misconception, then. It also introduces an interesting hypothetical of what if Sun ended up adopting OpenStep, if Java was not developed in time or fell through or whatever.

Actually it's just a fact! A factoid is something which sounds like a fact but is actually false.

Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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Thanks. Maybe I can get to it over the Holidays.

I found Becoming Steve Jobs by Schlender & Tetzeli to be a much more informative read than Isaacson's official biography, particularly on the intersection of Jobs/Next/Pixar/Apple.

Just wanted to second this, totally agree. Becoming Steve Jobs' authors interviewed Tim Cook, Jony Ive, Eddy Cue, Pixar’s John Lasseter, Disney CEO Bob Iger, and Jobs’ widow, Laurene Powell Jobs.

Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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Can you please mention from which author since I imagine there are more than one?

Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson is generally considered the definitive biography. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_(book)

Definitely not true. As a concrete example disproving your fallacious post, I refer to Mr. John Gruber who called Becoming Steve Jobs "the book about Steve Jobs that the world deserves".

Johny Ives says of Isaacson's book, "My regard couldn’t be any lower."

Re: 20 years ago, Apple bought NeXT

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Same with Pixar/Disney/-$7.4B.

Yeah, Pixar totally "bought" Disney Animation and, to a lesser extent, the theme parks. I'm told John Lasseter has been deeply involved in them. That would be going home for him, he worked at Disneyland as a youth.

Sure, but Disney is a lot more than Disney Animation... Isn't i mostly Marvel and Star Wars anyway?
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