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How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by douche »

electic wrote: post #130
lhopki01 wrote: post #113

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Lift your arm up? I can rest my arm on the desk and have my thumb in the lower right corner of the screen. It's actually much nicer than having my hand in front of me slightly raised to have two fingers to scroll with. Try it now.

Yes, but then you just have one hand on the keyboard. So now to type, you have to bring your right hand down, and resume typing. The distance there is greater vs. using the touchpad. I just have to flick my wrist and boom, I am on the touch pad scrolling. On Surface, assuming I hate the touchpad and want to use the screen, I have to take my hand off the keyboard, put it on the screen and start scrolling.

If having your hands on the keyboard is so important, on a Surface you can just scroll with the arrow keys, the way Flying Spaghetti Monster intended.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by mrpippy »

ewzimm wrote: post #139
coldtea wrote: post #77

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> My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful Compared to a five year old 17"? More like double the power. And unbelievably faster SSD (even if you have a…

The high-end processor on the 2011 Macbook Pro was the 2860QM. Current options on the 15" are the 6700HQ, which is about 1% faster on single threads and 14% faster on multiple threads, and the 6920HQ, which is about 23% faster on single threads and 36% faster on multiple threads.

Source? Or did you just compare clock rates? Intel has improved single-thread performance by much more than 1% from Sandy Bridge to Skylake

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by _ph_ »

dcposch wrote: post #230

Just a counterpoint: the 12" Macbook is really excellent. Build quality is impeccble. It feels amazing to travel with-- light enough to put into a small drawstring bag. On planes I keep it in the seat pocket in front of me. It feels like a sheet of paper. It has two ports total: one USB C and one headphone jack. If you want you can have a single cable to a 4K monitor that carries the image, powers the laptop, and con…

Yes, for all the complaining about Apple, I do intend to buy the 12" after the next refresh, which I hope for in spring. As my mobile compute needs are modest, I am intrigued by this tiny and most of all, fanless laptop.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by electic »

fritzw wrote: post #112
ohyoutravel wrote: post #90

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I really like the touchscreen on my Surface Pro and don't find it gimmicky. It's very useful, especially to scroll while reading an article, or to use it in "tablet mode," or just to hit buttons on command prompts. I don't use it for everything, but it is good at making small efficiency improvements in my overall life with my computer. Not accusing you of anything, but I suspect if Apple released a laptop with a touc…

You had me at scrolling. Apple is in denial. If nothing else it's the number of times I've witnessed someone try to manipulate the OS on a MacBook only to find themselves dumpfounded, "duh it's not a touchscreen". Well maybe it should be

I really think those people would be better off with an iPad. At least that is the skill level you are describing.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by elliotec »

optimuspaul wrote: post #19

As a Mac Loyalist I don't feel at all alienated. I am not merely a consumer and my life is more than the computer I use. I don't need or want constant attention. I think what they've been doing it great. Frankly I'm more annoying with the bloggers and media with their constant bullying of Apple. The iPhone 7 had just been announced and they were already speculating what the iPhone 8 was going to be. WTF? How about we…

It appears you are in the minority. Apple has disenfranchised a lot of loyalists for a lot of reasons.

Think of how absurd it is that you can't even plug in your new iPhone 7 into your new Macbook Pro.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by elliotec »

72deluxe wrote: post #201
systemtest wrote: post #15

Sacrificing the keyboard and battery for a thinner housing was a mistake. I upgraded my Macbook Pro 13" with 16GB of memory, a 250GB SSD, a 1TB HDD and a Bluetooth 4.0 internal card. I'll keep this for a few years.

I agree. I am keeping my 2012 i7 MBP for a few more years. Upgraded to 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, still got a useful DVD writer and plethora of incredibly useful ports all without dongles! And MagSafe.

How do you upgrade like that? I have one of the same models.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by curun1r »

ythn wrote: post #17
scrrr wrote: post #4

For me, there's still no alternative. And I also will not recommend anything but a Mac to friends and family. They just have the best personal computer on the market, period.

Out of all the devices I've ever owned, my Apple devices have had the most hardware failures. My iPhone 4S's headphone jack stopped working. I bought a replacement and installed it myself (which was a nightmare) but it was still broken. Turns out the logic board had an issue and replacing that is hundreds of dollars. My Macbook Pro 2010's hard drive cable failed. New one was $50. I've never had any hardware issues wi…

My Apple devices have problems, but so did my PCs and feature phones before them. It feels like the Apple devices have fewer problems, but that could just be a feeling or the fact that devices in general have become less problematic in the time since I've started using Apple's products.

But where I think Apple distinguishes itself is the user experience when there is a problem. It's the main reason why I recommend Apple to my non-tech friends and family. When a PC fails, you have to call the manufacturer and run the gauntlet of phone support. If there's something amiss in the hardware, you'll likely have to send it in to be fixed/replaced. With Apple, it's a Genius Bar appointment. I've always thought that the "Genius" in "Genius Bar" didn't refer to the slightly-above-minimum-wage tech support person helping you but, instead, to the person who realized that giving users friendly and non-scary tech support was crucial to the user experience. My mother, who is from a generation that will never be comfortable using computers, doesn't fear to make an appointment and resolve issues when I'm not available. Back when she had a Dell, she was too afraid to call their support line without me being present.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by bonzini »

zdw wrote: post #178
sqeaky wrote: post #152

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For the C++ codebase I work with my 6700 compiles 4.5 MLOC of code in a little less than half the time my 2nd gen i7 does. Hardly scientific, but the 6th i7s are really fast.

This is probably due to the improved storage iops of a PCIe flash drive more than the CPU.

And more available memory, letting the OS cache more files in RAM.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by dr_zoidberg »

mcphage wrote: post #224
falcolas wrote: post #129

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When reading more than few lines of text on the screen, my hands do not tend to remain on the keyboard. They instead drift up the sides of the computer, making the screen closer than the touchpad. Not to mention, having the option to use both certainly doesn't harm anyone.

> They instead drift up the sides of the computer, making the screen closer than the touchpad. Isn't that uncomfortable?

Apparently not. My father got a HP netbook/tablet and feels super comfortable with it, scrolling and zooming in with gestures on the screen. I never thought it'd be comfortable (for scrolling I'm super used to the mouse wheel, a habit he never caught), but to him it came naturally and he certainly wants it on any other device.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by pas »

curun1r wrote: post #187
badsock wrote: post #110

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Seriously, if anyone has a technical answer to this I'd love to know what it is. Right now I can't intepret the soldered-on ram in desktops as anything other than a user-hostile cash grab.

I'm not saying that I prefer the soldered-in versions, but back when I had a Mac with user-replaceable memory, the RAM would get unseated from time to time as my machine got jostled around in my bag and I'd have to open it up to fix it. I imagine that the Genius Bar saw a non-zero number of people bringing in computers that wouldn't boot because of this. Also, soldered-in saves space and thus helps with their patholo…

Huh?

I'm using a Dell Latitude E7440, it's about 3 years old, and I carry it everywhere. It has a few dents here and there. I've gone to the pub with it a few times and only God (and Google location services) know how I got back, luckily with the notebook still in my backpack, and the backpack somehow inside my place.

The RAM never dislodged.

http://17c4dcd7f91259d8cc66-f5932f6db0039e8c02f89a70c334ff0e...

But of course, soldering them in is not surprising. It cuts costs. A lot I guess. You need less connectors, you need less time assembling the laptop, less time supporting the very rare cases when there's a problem with the RAM.

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