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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by beat »

bloomca wrote: post #38
beat wrote: post #16

My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

Which Chromebook do you use? I've bought Acer R11 to myself, and gave my MBPr to my wife. Of course it is a huge downgrade, but my idea is to relax from writing code in the evenings for a few months, and then later install some linux on it. It is very portable, and tablet mode is nice, but performance in web apps is pretty bad (so I even use MBP to use for stuff like AirBnB) – they work, but with quite frustrating ex…

I got an HP something-or-other for my mother, but I took an Acer for a spin at Best Buy and was really impressed. Unfortunately, all of Amazon, Best Buy, and Newegg were out of stock for the Acer model I wanted, and she lives in another state, so I got her the HP instead (similar specs, a bit more $$).

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by wvenable »

aninhumer wrote: post #117
ohyoutravel wrote: post #90

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I really like the touchscreen on my Surface Pro and don't find it gimmicky. It's very useful, especially to scroll while reading an article, or to use it in "tablet mode," or just to hit buttons on command prompts. I don't use it for everything, but it is good at making small efficiency improvements in my overall life with my computer. Not accusing you of anything, but I suspect if Apple released a laptop with a touc…

>It's very useful, especially to scroll while reading an article I don't understand why someone using a laptop would want to scroll by lifting their arm up to the screen, rather than just moving two fingers on the touchpad where their hand is already resting.

I suspect they might be holding it like a tablet. There are plenty of situations (riding on transit, for example) where the tablet form factor is more appropriate.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by kobeya »

coldtea wrote: post #80
kobeya wrote: post #41

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Sorry that's just not possible. There are gamer targeted systems that are better specs than anything apple ever made (even after market upgrades) in the sun $2k range.

> There are gamer targeted systems that are better specs than anything apple ever made Which is irrelevant. I don't a "gamer system". I want thin, light, excellent construction, and good battery life, great trackpad, and a good enough CPU/GPU to achieve all that. Comparable Mac and PC systems for that cost $2000 and way up...

Sure. But the post I was replying to said $3500-$4200.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by sandGorgon »

I went and looked at the 13 inch MacBook pro and I was glad I bought my XPS 13.

It is of the size of a 12 inch laptop (because of the thin bezel design), can charge off a battery pack, can play DOTA 2 , has a QHD touchscreen, and has upgradable nvme SSD . The XPS 15 has upgradable ram as well. Both these laptops are much cheaper than the MacBook.

I truly fail to see why you would pay more for the MacBook pro. Yes osx is brilliant - but so is Fedora 25 or Windows 10. Choose your poison.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by stuckagain »

muninn_ wrote: post #124
stuckagain wrote: post #107

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Exactly the chain of adapters that beat was complaining of.

We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

As soon as someone invents an isochronous wireless interface with guaranteed throughput and latency, I'm sure all the recording studios will switch to that.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by emp_zealoth »

muninn_ wrote: post #124
stuckagain wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly the chain of adapters that beat was complaining of.

We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

There will be no purely wireless ever. Wired interfaces have too many advantages coming directly from physics and their reliability is unparalelled.

Personally I dont use anything wireless apart from WiFi, and even then only on my laptop

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by muninn_ »

stuckagain wrote: post #135
muninn_ wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're living in a transitory period as we move from a world of wires and connectors to a wireless world. This is the pain we have to endure as technology is pushed forward. If it were up to the luddites and their obsession with compatibility, a laptop would have a dvd drive, firewire, usb-a, usb-c, thunderbolt, hdmi, dvi, vga, sd, microsd,vga, and display port all in one laptop chassis. Having one single port, that c…

As soon as someone invents an isochronous wireless interface with guaranteed throughput and latency, I'm sure all the recording studios will switch to that.

Buy a desktop or a special interface port if you need something specialized.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by eropple »

cookiecaper wrote: post #101
weaksauce wrote: post #47

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The lack of affordable storage in the retina and up laptops and even desktops has been a deal breaker for me. I am on a five year old mbp and am seriously considering a hackintosh to be a daily driver. That's a whole big can of worms though.

Can you identify specifically the critical features of OS X that aren't replicable with a reasonable amount of effort on other systems? I've spent considerable time using all 3 major OSes as daily drivers and while each platform has perks, I've never felt a strong commitment to OS X for daily use. I'm curious what many people feel is so crucial about it that they'd consider switching to the massively unstable Hackint…

Anything with audio. ASIO on Windows is a mess of exclusive application usage and without it you're looking at latency so bad that I can't real-time monitor and talk at the same time because the echo effect kills me (and it's worse if you want to aggregate multiple audio devices). Linux--there's nothing worthwhile in terms of audio software and JACK is a disaster.

Even if I switch everything else I do to Windows and Linux, and I'm considering it, I'll end up keeping a Mac around for the foreseeable future.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by ewzimm »

coldtea wrote: post #77
beat wrote: post #16

My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

> My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful Compared to a five year old 17"? More like double the power. And unbelievably faster SSD (even if you have a…

The high-end processor on the 2011 Macbook Pro was the 2860QM. Current options on the 15" are the 6700HQ, which is about 1% faster on single threads and 14% faster on multiple threads, and the 6920HQ, which is about 23% faster on single threads and 36% faster on multiple threads.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by ncallaway »

kobeya wrote: post #73
_ph_ wrote: post #51

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The problem is, they don't run macOS. And if your whole work-environment is centered around macOS, it is not an easy choice to leave that behind, and consequently, hardware upgrades don't come cheap.

Sure but that's a different point.

No, that was exactly their point.

You responded to a different point.

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