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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by awj » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:28 PM UTC

ythn wrote: post #17

scrrr wrote: post #4

For me, there's still no alternative. And I also will not recommend anything but a Mac to friends and family. They just have the best personal computer on the market, period.

Out of all the devices I've ever owned, my Apple devices have had the most hardware failures. My iPhone 4S's headphone jack stopped working. I bought a replacement and installed it myself (which was a nightmare) but it was still broken. Turns out the logic board had an issue and replacing that is hundreds of dollars. My Macbook Pro 2010's hard drive cable failed. New one was $50. I've never had any hardware issues wi…

As a counter-anecdote, my Apple devices seem to be the only ones that don't give me problems.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:30 PM UTC

27182818284 wrote: post #43

Alienated is too strong a word. Do I feel as an Apple customer a little forgotten about because I like MacBook Pros? Absolutely. Was my family members with tech surprised by the new Surface products? Absolutely. Did a long-term, self-described "Apple fan boy" complain about the releases while wearing a first generation Apple Watch? Absolutely. Alienated? Eh, I don't think any of us think badly of the Apple brand or w…

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by sirn » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:31 PM UTC

anjc wrote: post #56

macjohnmcc wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Microsoft Surface Pro 3 with i7 processor and I would not trade my Macbook Pro (3 1/2 years old) for it. The Surface frequently heats up to be too hot to hold as a tablet and just isn't nearly as fast.

There must be something wrong with it then if it heats up too hot to hold, and its i7 doesn't make it more performant than an old MBP

The overheat problem is quite common with i7 Surface Pro 3. See also Microsoft Community thread[1]. Personally I have the i7 512GB but do not have the overheat issue, although I do have the problem of the fan running very loud sometimes under light usage.

[1]: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/surfpro3-s...

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by Pigo » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:31 PM UTC

treve wrote: post #60

Pigo wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Chromebook Pixel out of curiosity and have loved every minute of it. It's fun and really slick, and even as the most expensive, by far, it's still a fraction the cost. It was easy to put Linux on it for real dev, and I keep hearing about more and more methods ( https://mrchromebox.tech ). Plus it has all the Play Store apps now. Everyone I know is just waiting for work to buy them a Surface, but doesn't wa…

The big thing that has deterred me so far, is that I heard it's not really usable unless you're cool with having a google account. Despite having one, I thought it was a bit offputting for that to be a dependency.

Well, yeah, I suppose it's like needing an AppleID for mobile devices. ChromeOS is web based, so a lot of it is tied to their services. Like the free drive storage you get with it.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by stuckagain » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:32 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #77

beat wrote: post #16

My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

> My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful Compared to a five year old 17"? More like double the power. And unbelievably faster SSD (even if you have a…

Does a USB-C to FireWire exist?

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by mcherm » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:33 PM UTC

supergeek133 wrote: post #14

anexprogrammer wrote: post #8

I find it remarkable that a company the size and profitability of Apple seems unable to do more than one thing at a time. Simply not enough engineers?

I work for a $40B company, albeit smaller than Apple.. it even seems like we can't do more than one thing.

At least you can manage more than zero things...

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:33 PM UTC

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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by blackguardx » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:33 PM UTC

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #33

beat wrote: post #16

My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

I switched from a MBP to a Surface, and eventually to a $500 generic "hybrid" laptop (with decent Linux support). Turns out moving to the cloud for developer work and not playing videogames on my laptop really cuts down on my computer needs. (Also, saving that much money justifies more cell data to tether with, so it's actually more convenient at times.) YMMV though, because I worked in ML, and so had to make the clo…

What brand/model is your generic hybrid?

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by criddell » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:34 PM UTC

hyperliner wrote: post #10

I have the same feeling about iPhone in general as I do for my Mac, as I do for my (gathering dust) Apple Watch. Maybe we are experiencing the beginning of the decline of this system class. The question could be: what could Apple do to re-energize this ecosystem and take it to its next level? Or to invent the next class of systems?

> The question could be: what could Apple do to re-energize this ecosystem and take it to its next level?

Maybe you are asking the wrong question. Apple Computer is gone (2007). Maybe they don't want to re-energize their computer company roots. That would be looking backwards and Apple as a company doesn't look backwards very often (their recent book was a strange departure).

Maybe Apple's future is entirely in the consumer products realm - watch, iPhone, and iPad. Doesn't Cook use an iPad Pro as his primary computer?

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by eiriklv » Tue, Dec 20, 2016, 4:35 PM UTC

beat wrote: post #16

My main computer is a five year old 17" MBP. I've upgraded it to the max and done repairs to maintain it. I need the computational power - I use it for programming, photo editing at scale, and recording/mixing music. It would cost me $3000 to replace it with a computer that is not significantly more powerful, has a smaller screen and less I/O functionality, and would be incompatible with my audio interface unless I d…

The 17" MBP is such a beautiful and usable machine. I've been using a rMBP from 2012 until recently, but when Apple announced the new 2016 MBP I went and got a mint maxed out late 2011 17" instead. Just to give it a try really. I now love everything about it (especially the keyboard and the screen). Serviceability and the fact that you can run a 4TB RAID 0 or a 2TB RAID 1 is a huge bonus as well.

Regardless of the justifications Apple may have to continue on their current path, it personally (and very subjectively) makes me sad. They used to be a tent pole in my digital life, but now I feel we've lost touch with each other...