I still don't see the point. Even when I consider the cost of electricity as zero, then I still pay way less (1/3! less) over 10 years, then with my new cheap Dacia (LPG) - even when I factor the fuel in - compared to the Bolt.
The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla also includes the tax credit in their price. And at present they don't even have a car. Why are people so bitter that GM is competing? Is this not a good thing?
People are bitter because GM has a history of screwing the customer WRT electric vehicles. Many people wanted to buy their EV-1 but instead they sent them to the crushers. Like other people have said, GM is doing this to offset their truck/suvs and not out of a real interest in EVs.
Ancient history at this point.
Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
#184It might be Ugly, but it is the first working EV which is relatively cheap than contemporary EVs in the world!
Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
#185I still don't see the point. Even when I consider the cost of electricity as zero, then I still pay way less (1/3! less) over 10 years, then with my new cheap Dacia (LPG) - even when I factor the fuel in - compared to the Bolt.
have you factored in maintenance and environmental cost?
Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
#186I still don't see the point. Even when I consider the cost of electricity as zero, then I still pay way less (1/3! less) over 10 years, then with my new cheap Dacia (LPG) - even when I factor the fuel in - compared to the Bolt.
You are absolutely correct.
The direct economic incentives favor short-sighted purchases. I am not intending to blame you for the statement, but just agreeing that it's true if only for now. The problem is obvious to anyone living in Paris just two weeks ago. They had an emergency shutdown of traffic in the city due to pollution from cars.
There needs to be a balanced economic system that reflects the harm that oil causes to our environment and countrymen. Same thing goes with plastic waste, where some countries have added an environmental tax for plastic packaging.
It can be a tax on CO2, on oil, a deductible on electric cars, solar, etc. But it needs to be large enough to reflect the harm. Some taxes exist, but they are not obviously not enough to balance the harm to the environment.
Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Model 3 starts at $35k, the Bolt at $37.5k. If you're in the market for the Bolt post-Model 3 launch, then there's not much difference in price - why not go for the classier car?
I live in the outer provinces (New York), whose franchise laws are incompatible with Teslas business model. I also don't feel like driving 150 miles to buy a car from a company that basically doesn't allow 3rd party service. A friend had one that had problems. Getting it towed to Jersey a few times was not fun. When he got into a fender bender, getting it towed to a certified body shop on Long Island was extra not fu…
So you want to subsidize the anti competitive lobbying that made it so bad? Your attitude is the problem here.
Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
#188Boiling it down to the core point, "the Bolt will let GM sell more swanky Silverado pickups at much fatter margins without paying penalties or buying credits from competitors". It's important to know that fuel mileage regulations are calculated on a fleet basis, not per model. So manufacturers are actually trading off optimizations across their entire product line. The Bolt is just an iteration on the existing strate…
Is that a bad thing? Afaik, the CAFE standards are applied over the total cars sold, not just having the car in your lineup - GM can sell lots of big Silverados if they sell lots of Bolts, but they can't just make a little electric car to make the regulators happy and not care if they sell any of them, because they'll get no benefit out of it.
That leads to selling a crap e-car at a loss to push your profitable lines. A race to the lowest common denominator is not what we need.
Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
#189I still don't see the point. Even when I consider the cost of electricity as zero, then I still pay way less (1/3! less) over 10 years, then with my new cheap Dacia (LPG) - even when I factor the fuel in - compared to the Bolt.
have you factored in maintenance and environmental cost?
Most pollutants actually come from brake pads, so lack of ice will only knock total emissions down 30ish precent. But everyone likes to think its only the engine. Also consider the impact of mining copper and lithium. Its still in favor of conventional cars by a wide, but closing, margin.
Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've never heard of an efficiency enhancing feature not being automatic. That would be like overdrive defaulting to off, or having to manually enable cylinder deactivation. People would use it more if it was in the pedal's logic.
People who are used to automatic transmissions would think something was wrong with the car, and the dealerships would be swamped with service appointments.
This type of comment makes me wish there was a higher bar for car ownership.