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Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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The "death of the desktop computers" is greatly exaggerated. It's simply that a well-built future-proof PC can easily last you 5 years. I have the 2nd generation i7 and after 5 years of usage, I only added 16GB RAM and a better GPU (since I play demanding games). Might add 2x 512GB SSDs but I guess I'll just switch the motherboard and CPU in order to be able to use the NVMe models. Anyway. The market might have plato…

Good ol' i5-2500k Sandy Bridge keeps going on strong. I expect it to last yet another 5 years. "Thanks" to intel monopoly the desktop has been in a good place (if a tad expensive) for a long time now.

Depends how good the new ARM chips are

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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It's actually kind of amazing to see the discourse shift against Apple and the new MacBook Pro to the point where it seems almost self-reinforcing. Like someone turned the reality distortion field on backwards or something. I've been wanting a mac laptop the size and weight of a MacBook Air 13" but with a retina display for years, and the ability to connect usb, power and external display with just a single cable is…

I do not agree. It is not about magic, it's about neglecting the user group that made them rich in the first place.

Apple actually stopped making pro hardware. They're unpredictable when it comes to upgrades(15 Retina ethernal Haswell, 2013 Mac Pro, even iMacs), they do not seem to have an idea how the platform should evolve and they're obsessed with thinness, while in the pro market performance and battery life are vastly more important.

Last but not least, their recent idea of progress is gimmicky touch bar and emoticons everywhere. Sorry, it just does not fit. Add to it degrading software quality (iOS10 sucks, MacOS just got rid of battery prediction, because they couldn't work with new processors - come on!), frozen progress on software front in general and there is not much left.

Currently Apple is a company sitting on an extremely large pile of cash and they have not idea what to do with it. Not sexy at all.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Just to chime in that my windows 10 also still does not want to go to the Anniversary version. I have tried the auto update and the manual installer to no avail. Reinstalling the whole system did nothing as well. I have a standard 2014 mbp so the configuration is all but banal. Everybody is raving about the Linux subsystem but as far as I am concerned it does not exist.

Yep that's the problem I am faced with too. My work PC is also on Windows 10 but not on the anniversary update, so I have no idea what wonderful new delights everyone is partying about. How can I be sure I am running a secure up to date system if the "am I up to date check" essentially lies to me?

The older Windows 10 releases still get monthly security updates... You can force an upgrade via the Media Creation Tool.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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It's actually kind of amazing to see the discourse shift against Apple and the new MacBook Pro to the point where it seems almost self-reinforcing. Like someone turned the reality distortion field on backwards or something. I've been wanting a mac laptop the size and weight of a MacBook Air 13" but with a retina display for years, and the ability to connect usb, power and external display with just a single cable is…

I'd say the lack of hardware function keys is an utter annoyance for 80% of existing Mac users, maybe 40% like you who can be convinced by the Touchbar provided as a replacement. Remains 40% annoyed users, minimum. Don't forget Macbooks are sold at a prime, so users are mostly people who use it professionnaly, >8 hrs a day, who expect something from it and are experts in using it (even the basic photographer ends up mastering the keyboard shortcuts of Adobe, starting with... the Esc key).

Since the Touchbar may convince noobs like my 15-year-old, provided they're spoiled with laptops no-one can afford, you may end up with a situation where old farts are only 5-10% still cursing at the lack of hardware Esc/Function keys. But that's because of the attrition of professionals, not because you've made a good product.

Face it, the market actively rejects this innovation. A lot of people who wanted to renew held off, and are replacing their Macbook with... nothing. It's a bit like if your boyfriend leaves you, and if he doesn't have anyone else to date. He just leaves you because you're bad, because your prices increased too much, and because your features are missing. I don't even thing Microsoft's innovation plays much of a role in Apple's attrition.

Now let's talk about the missing battery life incidator, the missing battery life, the missing magsafe, the missing USB ports, the missing compatibility with iPhone 7's USB key.

One more thing. The new Macbook isn't on display in stores (in France at least), 6 weeks after the keynote and one week before Christmas. Apple really has a problem with procurement.

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I personally think the iMac has been an amazing all-in-one package. It's simplicity gives it an appeal that has made it a near-perfect tool for casual users who want to avoid the quirkiness of Windows. The iMac also scales up to heavy-hitting design work and I rarely see a lot of complaints until you get to render heavy applications or try to do multi-track and high resolution video editing and motion graphics, which…

The iMac is "amazing" only if you don't do CPU intensive stuff with it. Otherwise it whirrrs and throttles down. Personally I care more about the whirrring than the thermal throttling, but it's not amusing to not get the CPU/GPU speed you paid for either.

The Mac Pro is a video editing appliance ATM.

What they don't have is a developer/hobbyist oriented desktop. And this will bite them in the ass long term, because they will lose mind share. I'm very close to switching back to Linux if they don't offer me a developer oriented Mac Pro in the next 1-2 years.

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What I really want is for my state (SSD, RAM, maybe the CPU, but probably not the GPU) to be easily detachable from my human interface devices (keyboard, mouse, display). I want to be able to use a desktop in one place, then unplug a small unit which contains the aforementioned state (i.e. the equivalent of a sleeping laptop but with no keyboard or display), carry that someplace else, plug it in to a different set of…

The Surface Book is a step in that direction, particularly with the GPU going in the base. You can keep one or more Surface Docks connected to monitors, keyboards and what-have-you in the places where you work, and carry around either the laptop-sized unit (with keyboard, GPU, and a chunk of battery) or even just the large-tablet-sized screen piece. And you can keep your programs running the whole time.

A 13" tablet is still a bit big to be carrying around - I'm hoping they'll eventually manage to make an x86 phone with enough oomph to operate as a development workstation - but it's getting there.

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I'm not challenging your argument, but have you seen Safari Technology Preview [1]? It seems to be under healthy development; for instance, recently it became the first browser to support all ES2015/16/17 features [2]. So it may be just that the standard Safari release is behind. [1] https://developer.apple.com/safari/technology-preview/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13133135

This is inevitable when everyone else is on a 6 weekly release schedule (not sure about Edge, but Chrome/Firefox are) and they insist on aligning browser releases with OS releases for marketing reasons. It does look like they've got a great release coming some time, but it's clear they care more about marketing it eventually than pushing the web forward by putting the latest and greatest in user's hands.

Edge is under a 4-8 months release schedule.

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Not quite what I'm after because (AFAICT) it can't sleep while unplugged. But this still looks like a pretty awesome little machine. I may just have to get me one :-)

It can hibernate. With an SSD, restoring back from hibernate is just a few seconds.

Yeah... my laptop auto-hibernates after a period of time, and I can't be bothered to turn it off because the 2-3 second delay hardly registers.

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The mac is a personal computer.

Yes, but "PC" has a very specific meaning in almost every context, and Apple never refer to their machines as PCs. Which is why Apple was able to run those "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" ads.

It really doesn't though. Apple fans may define "PC" differently, but to the ordinary person in the street, a Mac is a PC is a computer.
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