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Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by kriro »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #141
enjo wrote: post #17

The latest rev pushed me to a PC for the first time in like 15 years. It's partly because I didn't love the new Macbook Pro, but also cause hey..change is fun sometimes. I'm very happy with my new Surface Book. I never thought I'd like the touchscreen as much as I do. I LOVE being able to go to tablet mode for calls and stuff where I sort of want to just wander around. The pen has completely changed how I do flow-cha…

I'm also considering a switch, but Windows drives me up the wall whenever I touch it. macOS has been getting uglier and more awkward to use the last few years, but Windows is still the king of ugly. So I've been considering Linux as my first option. I fired up a few VMs and dipped my toes in various Linux desktop environments: Elementary, Fedora 25, and Ubuntu (Unity) so far. These are all GNOME 3 variants. And... oh…

Try i3 or fluxbox while you're still experimenting (or KDE for that matter if you've only gone with Gnome so far). Diversity is actually a good thing :)

I've standardized on Xubuntu but there are some pretty sweet desktop managers/window managers out there. That being said I feel like I'm fairly close to converting to i3.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by michaelmrose »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #141
enjo wrote: post #17

The latest rev pushed me to a PC for the first time in like 15 years. It's partly because I didn't love the new Macbook Pro, but also cause hey..change is fun sometimes. I'm very happy with my new Surface Book. I never thought I'd like the touchscreen as much as I do. I LOVE being able to go to tablet mode for calls and stuff where I sort of want to just wander around. The pen has completely changed how I do flow-cha…

I'm also considering a switch, but Windows drives me up the wall whenever I touch it. macOS has been getting uglier and more awkward to use the last few years, but Windows is still the king of ugly. So I've been considering Linux as my first option. I fired up a few VMs and dipped my toes in various Linux desktop environments: Elementary, Fedora 25, and Ubuntu (Unity) so far. These are all GNOME 3 variants. And... oh…

You know lots of environments are quite configurable both in aethetics and functionality have you explored this. If you just booted up and didn't explore your options you might have missed the better part of your options.

Functionally I think there a lot to be said for tiling window managers and I think they look great with Compton plus semi transparent windows, selectively obviously.

Of course it might not be your cup of tea.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by DerekL »

tracker1 wrote: post #109
imagetic wrote: post #82

I personally think the iMac has been an amazing all-in-one package. It's simplicity gives it an appeal that has made it a near-perfect tool for casual users who want to avoid the quirkiness of Windows. The iMac also scales up to heavy-hitting design work and I rarely see a lot of complaints until you get to render heavy applications or try to do multi-track and high resolution video editing and motion graphics, which…

My friend really likes his, though his biggest complaint keeping him off, is he wants a matching 5K display, so he can have dual displays off his iMac, which isn't an option, and apple killed their display line. For me, the highest end mini is almost enough, as I really don't want a built in display at all... The mac pro is too overpriced (more than it was when last refreshed) and there's no new mac pro in sight... a…

I agree. I don't know if Apple would do it, but it would be great if they offered a Mac Pro with iMac style chips (i5 and integrated graphics at the low end) with prices starting at $1000 or $1500. Using the same case as the Xeon Mac Pros might save some money and keep things simpler.

Then they could make the Mac mini smaller and cheaper, like a scaled-up Apple TV. SSD only, no hard drive, 2 or 4 USB 3 ports, Ethernet and HDMI, starting at $399.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by _ph_ »

bluedino wrote: post #11
hkarthik wrote: post #6

This comes at no surprise. I predicted that at some point desktop computers used by designers and software engineers would start approaching workstation class pricing (around 4K USD or more) as laptops took over. This will reflect the depressed demand as more people are able to get what they need done via a laptop. Apple might be one of the few manufacturers able to sell desktops at a loss, and justify it since the M…

What do you need a Pro for that you can't do on a 15" MacBook or iMac? Serious video editing and 3D graphics. That's about it. For 95% of us the portables get the job done.

3D graphics - the graphics of the Mac Pro have not been refreshed in 3 years. Lots of memory. More CPU than the iMac. Better storage. Multiple screens. Better cooling. I have a MB Pro and an iMac, and while they are great devices, a proper desktop mac is something I miss.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by dboreham »

BoorishBears wrote: post #124
taigeair wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate on its impact on how you do development? One reason I still have a mac is because it's so developer friendly. Linux is very time-consuming to make things work with and is incompatible with various hardware. Also some mac software is great.

I have a Zenbook. Windows for development isn't nearly as convinent as OSX. Yes there's lots of customization you can do to make it bearable. Powershell isn't as awful as CMD, but projects aren't supporting Powershell as much as bash any time this decade AFAIK. The Linux subsystem works, but the flow between Windows and Linux is lacking. I tried Linux. Linux doesn't handle my mix of high DPI and normal DPI monitors (…

Cygwin

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by 20andup »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #187
enjo wrote: post #17

The latest rev pushed me to a PC for the first time in like 15 years. It's partly because I didn't love the new Macbook Pro, but also cause hey..change is fun sometimes. I'm very happy with my new Surface Book. I never thought I'd like the touchscreen as much as I do. I LOVE being able to go to tablet mode for calls and stuff where I sort of want to just wander around. The pen has completely changed how I do flow-cha…

Same here, switched to a Dell XPS13 after 15 years of macs (Still use an iMac at work). Dell quality has been very bad though, I'm not amused. Linux bash on Windows also helped me a lot to transition development work to Windows.

I just bought an xps 15 running arch linux to replace my mba 13. The build quality is poorer for sure.

My main complains.

Keyboard: - Cheap plastic that doesn't feel nice to type for long hours - Oh I miss the mac keyboard layout, the control and alt keys on are hard to adjust on windows and linux especially when copy and paste puts your fingers in awkward positions

Touchpad: - Good, but still a ways to go compared to macs. I am buying a MX Master to compensate for this.

Battery Life: - Over exaggeration of duration in advertisement

Its aesthetically pleasing but the general everyday use just doesn't physically feel great. With a macbook, its very easy to focus cause every command is almost second nature. With the xps, I have look back at the keyboard all the time to see what's going on.

I need a linux machine so I don't have much choice. Or I can pay almost triple the price for a macbook pro for the same specs and even slower vm on top.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by setq »

nextos wrote: post #186
wineisfine wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had the same thing. Turns out, I'm more of a design snob then I thought I was. Trying to move away from macOS and trying out Windows and a few Linux distro's, my god it's all ugly. I don't care much about Apple hardware specifically, but they got my hooked because of the OS. Pretty lame.

Try something without any design at all, like Linux with a tiling window manager and some minimal applications.

This is what I use Windows for. It's an SSH terminal that has a web browser and plays music (via groove which is actually quite good)

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by WWLink »

pdimitar wrote: post #84
bane wrote: post #47

I kind of feel like, once you're talking publicly about things like if you are committed or not, you probably aren't and are trying to keep people from fleeing while you figure out what to do or while some long-term strategy kicks in.

Agreed, I have the exact same feeling for this case as well. "We have so many amazing things in store that I am so excited about" Actions speak louder than words. The new MBPs are the most meh Apple laptops ever. The iPhone 7/Plus are the laziest iPhones ever made, too. Rehashes losing legacy ports and trying to impose new ones (although USB Type-C is the best decision they've made in the last several years; I think…

Only answering this because of the ecosystem comment.

I wish manufacturers would make products that work well with anything. Like Apple watches with Android phones and vice versa, Apple TV running Amazon's Prime TV app, Amazon's Prime TV box running Apple's TV app, etc.

All of these ecosystem-exclusive things are annoying and in some ways I believe holding technology back a little.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by aamederen »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #141
enjo wrote: post #17

The latest rev pushed me to a PC for the first time in like 15 years. It's partly because I didn't love the new Macbook Pro, but also cause hey..change is fun sometimes. I'm very happy with my new Surface Book. I never thought I'd like the touchscreen as much as I do. I LOVE being able to go to tablet mode for calls and stuff where I sort of want to just wander around. The pen has completely changed how I do flow-cha…

I'm also considering a switch, but Windows drives me up the wall whenever I touch it. macOS has been getting uglier and more awkward to use the last few years, but Windows is still the king of ugly. So I've been considering Linux as my first option. I fired up a few VMs and dipped my toes in various Linux desktop environments: Elementary, Fedora 25, and Ubuntu (Unity) so far. These are all GNOME 3 variants. And... oh…

I am experiencing the same thing, but on the reverse side.

At my home, I have a Ubuntu desktop which works perfectly. I use Eclipse, Android Studio and Atom editor. On work, I use MBP and pretty much the same environment.

I know it is not a common opinion but no matter what I do, I still like Ubuntu more than macos. I agree that macos looks more polished, engineered and complete but somehow, I prefer Ubuntu's plastic feeling. It has been 6 months and still my opinions did not change.

There is also the problems of macOS with Eclipse and other GTK applications (Meld) some other stuff about Mac that I couldn't fully adapt yet.

Lastly, FYI, no, I am not hater and I like MBP, especially as a solid metal object.

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