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Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by pjmlp »

comex wrote: post #130
rocky1138 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also a good indicator: “I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore?" Tim Cook told the paper during a trip to visit Apple's flagship store in London for the debut of its powerful big-screen tablet, the new iPad Pro. "No really," he said, "why would you buy one?” http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/apple-ceo-tim-cook-pc/

No offense, but this is like one of those false stories in politics that keeps spreading no matter what the fact checkers say. I've seen that quote posted on HN like five times now. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Tim Cook isn't actually so undisciplined that he would call an entire product line of his company useless in an interview. In Apple's world, "PC" means Windows PC; the Mac is not a "PC". As Gruber…

Well they have videos pushing the iPad Pro as computer replacement.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zPYW6Ipgok

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by itazula »

bootload wrote: post #12

"The desktop is very strategic for us. It’s unique compared to the notebook because you can pack a lot more performance in a desktop — the largest screens, the most memory and storage, a greater variety of I/O, and fastest performance." So desktop is high end, MBP commodity?

To certain user communities, "almost." I know I am looking forward to seeing the new iMac. Having a good portable device is secondary to me. My 2012 MacBook Air would be fine except for the lack of memory (only 4GB). So, I will probably purchase the new MacBook Pro without the touchbar, and then sell my MacBook Air.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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jpatokal wrote: post #118
bane wrote: post #47

I kind of feel like, once you're talking publicly about things like if you are committed or not, you probably aren't and are trying to keep people from fleeing while you figure out what to do or while some long-term strategy kicks in.

This was a private comm internal to Apple, not a public communication. Also, in this situation, denial is the lesser of two evils. Because if there are rumors that "X is going to be killed", and you don't squash them, that's even more suspicious.

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Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by pvdebbe »

pdimitar wrote: post #86
analog31 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if a problem is maintaining a commitment to the Mac when the computer market is no longer committed to desktop / laptop computers in general. It seems that the world has kinda topped out on what they (we?) need, which is some kind of modestly functioning computer with a keyboard for "work," and a phone for everything else.

The "death of the desktop computers" is greatly exaggerated. It's simply that a well-built future-proof PC can easily last you 5 years. I have the 2nd generation i7 and after 5 years of usage, I only added 16GB RAM and a better GPU (since I play demanding games). Might add 2x 512GB SSDs but I guess I'll just switch the motherboard and CPU in order to be able to use the NVMe models. Anyway. The market might have plato…

Good ol' i5-2500k Sandy Bridge keeps going on strong. I expect it to last yet another 5 years. "Thanks" to intel monopoly the desktop has been in a good place (if a tad expensive) for a long time now.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by pvdebbe »

lethargic_meat wrote: post #88
sliken wrote: post #59

I'm sure 6 months ago apple would have said they are working on "great" laptops. But we ended up with half ish the battery life promised, 16GB ram max, and needing dongles to connect to monitors, mouse, cameras, or external disks.

The ram limitation, similar to the limitations on processor are Intel's fault, not Apple. Mac's latest version uses LPDDR3E which tops at 16G. For 32G you would need LPDDR4 or LPDDR4E and a processor compatible. http://fixmibug.com/if-the-macbook-pro-32-gb-of-ram-the-desi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_DDR https://ark.intel.com/products/88972/Intel-Core-i7-6920HQ-Pr...

So if the Macbook 2018 suddenly uses intel 80386, slow FP operations are also Intel's fault?

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by lobster_johnson »

rocky1138 wrote: post #116
CamperBob2 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the first clue might have been when they changed the company's name to remove the word "Computer."

This is also a good indicator: “I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore?" Tim Cook told the paper during a trip to visit Apple's flagship store in London for the debut of its powerful big-screen tablet, the new iPad Pro. "No really," he said, "why would you buy one?” http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/apple-ceo-tim-cook-pc/

How so? The Mac is not a PC.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by pjmlp »

shmerl wrote: post #24

OK, if they are so committed, where is OpenGL 4.5 and Vulkan support? Why is Safari so behind that it's now called "the new IE"? Talk is cheap, let them actually do something.

On the same level as supported by Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft and Google (Vulkan is only currently available on Pixie and Samsung S7).

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by kuschku »

m_mueller wrote: post #168
bsg75 wrote: post #155

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This is why I always return to XFCE. It may not be rapidly evolving, but if I'm running a Linux desktop, I want simple.

On what Distro though? What should I try if I want something that pretty much works out of the box i.e. has acceptable battery life + WiFi + Sound + Suspend mode on a Macbook / Latitude / Thinkpad without me having to set up config files according to all kinds of internet sources for a day... or even a week?

KDE Neon or Kubuntu.

That's what you want.

Just works, anyone can use it, and if you wish, you can right-click on anything and have tenthousand config options to make everything exactly as customized as you want it.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by flukus »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #176
rocky1138 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also a good indicator: “I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore?" Tim Cook told the paper during a trip to visit Apple's flagship store in London for the debut of its powerful big-screen tablet, the new iPad Pro. "No really," he said, "why would you buy one?” http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/apple-ceo-tim-cook-pc/

How so? The Mac is not a PC.

The mac is a personal computer.

Re: Tim Cook assures employees that Apple is committed to the Mac

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Post by shmerl »

pjmlp wrote: post #177
shmerl wrote: post #24

OK, if they are so committed, where is OpenGL 4.5 and Vulkan support? Why is Safari so behind that it's now called "the new IE"? Talk is cheap, let them actually do something.

On the same level as supported by Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft and Google (Vulkan is only currently available on Pixie and Samsung S7).

MS is not part of Vulkan working group, and neither is Sony, so they don't do anything to support it. It can be supported on their systems only when they don't stand in the way (like on Windows or Android).

Nintendo on the other hand now has officially confirmed support: https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-prod...

Want to bet who will be next?

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