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The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future

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Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future

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Post by forgetsusername »

Qub3d wrote: post #2

The Title of the actual article already points out why GM still hasn't "beaten Tesla to the punch": The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the (Very Near) Future. Tesla has a fanclub because they're making electric cars into a sports brand. Motor Trend asked a bunch of current Tesla owners (and model 3 reservees) what they thought of it. The general consensus was "moving in the right direction, but not enough to make me s…

Newsflash: Tesla fans willing to give Tesla an interest free loan prefer Tesla to GM.

Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future

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Post by colechristensen »

forgetsusername wrote: post #33
pseudometa wrote: post #5

"Tesla loses money on every car too." This is false, Tesla averages $18,000 margin on every model S & model X it sells. "So how did GM pull off a $30,000 car with 200 miles of range?" It didn't. It is $30k only after $8000 of federal tax credits.

Tesla also includes the tax credit in their price. And at present they don't even have a car. Why are people so bitter that GM is competing? Is this not a good thing?

Many people are Tesla fanboys, many other people are cheering on Tesla to fail. When the failure-cheerleaders exaggerate or make false claims the Tesla fanboys are overzealous in defense.

Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future

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Post by slededit »

colechristensen wrote: post #36
pseudometa wrote: post #5

"Tesla loses money on every car too." This is false, Tesla averages $18,000 margin on every model S & model X it sells. "So how did GM pull off a $30,000 car with 200 miles of range?" It didn't. It is $30k only after $8000 of federal tax credits.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. It seems like the battery packs on cars are engineered to manipulate people, and this would be an easy way of making two very different cars seem the same. Lithium batteries degrade. With heat, with time, with charge cycles. Article after article writes about how Tesla's battery packs barely degrade! 8% capacity loss over 100,000 miles. This has to be a lie. Unless they've come…

SSDs do this exact same thing. The individual flash cells have much lower durability than the drive itself.

Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future

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Post by dirkg »

RKoutnik wrote: post #19

This article (like many) misses why people buy Teslas. Teslas are amazing cars that just happen to be electric - not the other way around. The large car companies think that "electric" is enough to sell a car, whereas Tesla knows they need luxury options, autopilot & the supercharger network. I've got a Model 3 reservation myself and wouldn't even think of switching to the Bolt. I want a nice car, not just an electri…

> I want a nice car

Translation: I can afford a luxury car, Tesla is one of the nicer luxury cars and happens to be electric.

Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future

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Post by JabavuAdams »

dirkg wrote: post #38

Why are diesel cars hated in the US? You can get a range of diesel car sin Europe which give you 50-60mpg, have all kinds of comforts and can be cheap, without the trickery of tax credits.

The reason I hate diesel cars is that the exhaust smells nasty.

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Post by vvanders »

forgetsusername wrote: post #33
pseudometa wrote: post #5

"Tesla loses money on every car too." This is false, Tesla averages $18,000 margin on every model S & model X it sells. "So how did GM pull off a $30,000 car with 200 miles of range?" It didn't. It is $30k only after $8000 of federal tax credits.

Tesla also includes the tax credit in their price. And at present they don't even have a car. Why are people so bitter that GM is competing? Is this not a good thing?

People are bitter because GM has a history of screwing the customer WRT electric vehicles.

Many people wanted to buy their EV-1 but instead they sent them to the crushers. Like other people have said, GM is doing this to offset their truck/suvs and not out of a real interest in EVs.

Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future

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Post by RKoutnik »

dirkg wrote: post #44
RKoutnik wrote: post #19

This article (like many) misses why people buy Teslas. Teslas are amazing cars that just happen to be electric - not the other way around. The large car companies think that "electric" is enough to sell a car, whereas Tesla knows they need luxury options, autopilot & the supercharger network. I've got a Model 3 reservation myself and wouldn't even think of switching to the Bolt. I want a nice car, not just an electri…

> I want a nice car Translation: I can afford a luxury car, Tesla is one of the nicer luxury cars and happens to be electric.

The Model 3 starts at $35k, the Bolt at $37.5k. If you're in the market for the Bolt post-Model 3 launch, then there's not much difference in price - why not go for the classier car?

Re: The Chevy Bolt Is the Ugly Car of the Near Future

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Post by RKoutnik »

untog wrote: post #34
RKoutnik wrote: post #19

This article (like many) misses why people buy Teslas. Teslas are amazing cars that just happen to be electric - not the other way around. The large car companies think that "electric" is enough to sell a car, whereas Tesla knows they need luxury options, autopilot & the supercharger network. I've got a Model 3 reservation myself and wouldn't even think of switching to the Bolt. I want a nice car, not just an electri…

I don't doubt you're correct in summarising why many current Tesla owners buy Tesla cars. But if they want to be hugely, mass market successful they need to expand their client base beyond customers who "need" luxury options in a car. It's Tesla that would need to match GM's market proposition, not vice versa. > I want a nice car, not just an electric one, and Tesla's got that in spades. And I suspect many Bolt owner…

> And I suspect many Bolt owners want an economical car, not a luxury one, and the Bolt's got that in spades.

See my other reply in this subthread - Bolt/Model 3 will be equivalent in terms of price, so I don't see how the Bolt is more "economical".

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