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ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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Re: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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Simply amazing. I still thought antimatter was a theory. Can anyone recommend a book on this topic for the layman?

Antimatter is old news. When CERN discovered the higgs boson a few years back, we did so by looking for the higgs decay products (the higgs is really unstable), a significant fraction of which are antimatter.

For example: One of the most important higgs signals was the Higgs -> 2 Z boson -> 2 electron + 2 anti-electron decay chain. Or in particle physics jargon H -> ZZ, Z -> e+e-. The important thing is that e+ is an anti-particle, one of the few that was discovered early enough to get its own name (the "positron" was discovered in 1932 [1]).

Since the positron discovery we've discovered so many anti-particles that we stopped giving them special names. We just call them e+, mu+, tau+, p-, etc, to say nothing of the composite particles that are composed of both matter and antimatter.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron#Experimental_clues_an...

Re: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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It would be easier if you could build your entire experimental apparatus out of antimatter, but if you could do that you're probably beyond making experiments with single atoms of it... ;-)

I would not want to be in charge of filing the Environmental Impact Statement for such a facility.

Yeah, you should see the paperwork they make us fill out for something as simple as a few hundred lbs of mercury.

Re: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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And now we know something's up with gravity, because we can't seem to reconcile it with quantum mechanics.

I know, and the Lord Kelvin quote is too suspicious to be credible, a man like him would never have said such a thing. If we can trust Wikipedia he never did: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/William_Thomson#Misattributed

Didn't Isaac Newton die thinking that he solved all of physics though?

Re: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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I remember Feynman said to check the spin of the photons emitted from alien species. If they're 90 degrees out of phase with ours then they're made of antimatter and we shouldn't shake hands. (At least I think it was spin, been a while since I read QED)

Would antimatter interact with gravity opposite that of matter, prohibiting an alien (or anything) from being made of antimatter ?

Re: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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It is a theory, like everything else in physics, including the workings of gravity. It's a bit of a shame that in elementary school and high school, people are taught about "facts" such as Newtonian physics without exploring also some of the weirdness of quantum physics that challenges classic physics. I.e. I had no idea about all the controversy around how gravity "actually" works until I read a book on string theor…

>"I had no idea about all the controversy around how gravity "actually" works until I read a book on string theory" FYI, there seems to be quite a bit of controversy regarding whether string theory is even science: >'Many of today’s theorists — chief among them the proponents of string theory and the multiverse hypothesis — appear convinced of their ideas on the grounds that they are beautiful or logically compelling…

I think it's not correct to hold this kind of physics to the standard of science that other disciplines use.

The standard, scientific method version of science is 'guess a model of how the world works, then run an experiment to see if it's true'. This packages (hides, even) a bunch of principles of rational thought inside of it - for instance, that a stance about how the world works had to be able to be wrong, and that you should be picking your opinions about how the world works based on what you can (repeatedly) demonstrate.

But there are other paths to knowledge- and revelation- gaining that are performed by scientists all the time, yet don't fit this model. It's perfectly legitimate to get a grant to run an experiment to just look at something closely, such as a star or a blank patch of sky, or a material, or an organism. 'I want to collect data on X' is perfectly legitimate as a way to learn about the world. After all you need observations about something in order to build the initial model that you use to generate hypotheses in the Scientific Method (tm) anyway. Another example: sometimes experiments are done just to find more accurate readings of numerical constants.

Anyway, mathematicians and the more theoretical physicists aren't really looking to run experiments to test hypotheses. Instead their 'experiments' are finding new models for looking at things and their 'results' are finding new mathematical statements, or finding ways to prove things that were previously hard to prove, or just finding new ways of looking at things that make thinking about them easier. This is 'output', and a net gain in human knowledge, without being a testable hypothesis, and I think that's fine. It's still subject to the underlying rationalism behind science. But validation is entirely theoretical: a good theory makes things make sense, and doesn't make things not make sense in ways that disagree with physical experiments, and makes things simpler and better. And it's fine that these criteria are abstract and to an extent subjective.

Of course it's still necessary to have a way to say if theorists are failing, or wasting their time, or producing too little or too quality output, and I don't know how that's done or it ought to be done. But it doesn't bother me that they don't produce physically testable results.

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scientific theories are not hypotheses.

Right. Science uses the word "theory" in the same sense as music theory. A scientific theory is a collection of related ideas that form a robustly cohesive whole, with the power to explain some set of phenomena.

Theory literlly means observation in ancient greek, look it up

Re: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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Assuming a two handed alien of course.

Many handed

But only bilaterally symmetrical. Radially symmetric aliens with hands give no indication!

(Well, aside from whether or not they blow up whatever local matter surface they're standing on.)

Re: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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Simply amazing. I still thought antimatter was a theory. Can anyone recommend a book on this topic for the layman?

According to the Wikipedia articles on the topic, antimatter (specifically, positrons) were first suggested as possible in 1928 (a consequence of the Dirac equation), and the first observation of a positron was 1929, and the linkage between the theory and experiment was done in 1932.

Antimatter, then, predates the discovery of quarks.

Re: ALPHA observes light spectrum of antimatter for first time

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And now we know something's up with gravity, because we can't seem to reconcile it with quantum mechanics.

Our current theory of gravity doesn't even explain how galaxies form and rotate unless over a quarter of the universe is made of unspecified "dark matter." We are children playing on the shores of undiscovered oceans.

I'm with you, I'm uncertain we even have the right question...
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