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Reasons I Won’t Fund You

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Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#51
> I want to hear that you are building a unicorn — or at least, trying.

Is this the mentality of the whole startup/venture capital universe? (Excuse me for being disconnected, this is a completely separate world from mine). Are there no venture capitalists, or young startup kids who want to build companies that just grow slowly and organically, and that are profitable throughout, rather than trying to build some service at breakneck speed while pumping up a valuation and hoping for an "exit"? Is there no venture capital invested with a horizon of a decade or three?

Is venture capital in software just basically buying lottery tickets in 100 startups, hoping to find one unicorn (success) instead of zero unicorns (failure)?

Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#52

> I want to hear that you are building a unicorn — or at least, trying. Is this the mentality of the whole startup/venture capital universe? (Excuse me for being disconnected, this is a completely separate world from mine). Are there no venture capitalists, or young startup kids who want to build companies that just grow slowly and organically, and that are profitable throughout, rather than trying to build some serv…

There are, but the people that like to bootstrap slowly growing companies that are profitable along the way are usually more wary of handing over power and shares into the hands of an investor.

As an investor, I would prefer people that flock towards me and hand over their power with flying colors in return for some money.

Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#53
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Every clickbait title is different. But. 22 Reasons THIS one will blow your mind.

give the guy his credit, though. he has been pretty active and blunt on funding related questions/topics, and to his credit, he started companies and successfully sold them. His sentences, and so on, are sometimes broken, but what he's trying to tell i think is somewhat solid. See what he's trying to say, not how he's trying to say. [edit: grammar]

This goes against his own recommendations. He wouldn't have the patience to hear himself out.

Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#54
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> If you don’t take an amazing VP intro I give you. I’m out. Um, MY personnel get to choose who comes into the company that they work at. Thanks. This alone throws huge red flags about this investor. I may have a million good reasons for rejecting your "stable boy". Number 1 is: he's a "stable boy". I have NEVER seen a "stable boy" cause anything but problems. A truly amazing VP is probably already employed somewhere…

I read this that he meant that you didn't at least meet the intro, not that you had to employ them.

Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#55

> I want to hear that you are building a unicorn — or at least, trying. Is this the mentality of the whole startup/venture capital universe? (Excuse me for being disconnected, this is a completely separate world from mine). Are there no venture capitalists, or young startup kids who want to build companies that just grow slowly and organically, and that are profitable throughout, rather than trying to build some serv…

> Is there no venture capital invested with a horizon of a decade or three?

Sadly, no.

You might get angel funding for that, but realistically most investors want a quickish exit rather than a long relationship. For long-term businesses you're reliant on friends-and-family or remortgaging your house.

Also implicit in the "unicorn" model is the idea that the unicorn will be a global monopoly on a particular type of service. Would you be able to get investment to start a small local taxi service in a world where Uber and Lyft exist?

(Note that HN's own Pinboard.in (idlewords/Maciej) is self-bootstrapped. It can be done. You're just much less likely to hear about it.)

Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#56
post #47

> Almost everyone has competition. I get worried if you have no respect for your competition, but sometimes, I can get past that. But not understanding your competition? That’s a No. What does such investor expects to hear in if you are Twitter or similar company entering a blue ocean (creating your own market)?

Twitter had plenty of competition. All existing social media was competition for Twitter. Email was competition for Twitter.

Competition isn't about some other founder doing the same thing you're doing. It's about all the ways people can already do the things you're trying to sell them.

Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#58

> I want to hear that you are building a unicorn — or at least, trying. Is this the mentality of the whole startup/venture capital universe? (Excuse me for being disconnected, this is a completely separate world from mine). Are there no venture capitalists, or young startup kids who want to build companies that just grow slowly and organically, and that are profitable throughout, rather than trying to build some serv…

There are plenty of companies trying to grow slowly, via organic growth. Or even not grow at all (think about a restaurant - usually no growth is intended). There are even plenty of tech companies in that bucket.

However, VCs generally don't invest in these companies, for a variety of reasons. The bottom-line is that it doesn't make sense financially for the VC model, and it's not what the people who give the VCs money want.

VCs will often get money from pension funds, etc. These are companies managing billions of dollars, of which they allocate let's say 1% to VCs, with the idea of making a huge interest on their investments. E.g. typical real-estate or stock investments will give you a %5-%20 interest, and VCs are supposed to give you much higher numbers.

Again, this doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of tech companies out there who aren't looking for VC money or to grow rapidly, although there are structural reasons why lots of tech companies should look for that kind of growth (mostly, tech companies have way more ability to scale than e.g. restaurants). But most of these "smaller" companies are simply less visible - for obvious reasons, bigger companies are more visible, therefore more talked about.

BTW, let me just correct one misstatement - VCs are aiming for huge exits, but they are investing for often long time horizons - I think the typical time to an "exit" is 11 years these days, so it's not like they're trying to do a quick exit - quite the opposite, if a company exits after 3 years, it's almost certain they haven't become a unicorn.

Edit: Still one of the best pieces of writing on the idea of "2 kinds of companies", from Joel Spolsky: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/05/12/strategy-letter-i-...

Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#59
post #55

> I want to hear that you are building a unicorn — or at least, trying. Is this the mentality of the whole startup/venture capital universe? (Excuse me for being disconnected, this is a completely separate world from mine). Are there no venture capitalists, or young startup kids who want to build companies that just grow slowly and organically, and that are profitable throughout, rather than trying to build some serv…

> Is there no venture capital invested with a horizon of a decade or three? Sadly, no. You might get angel funding for that, but realistically most investors want a quickish exit rather than a long relationship. For long-term businesses you're reliant on friends-and-family or remortgaging your house. Also implicit in the "unicorn" model is the idea that the unicorn will be a global monopoly on a particular type of se…

I don't think this is accurate. Almost all VC funding wants your company to be a unicorn, and the typical time horizon until a successful IPO, say, is 11 years.

Put another way, if you're exiting quickish-ly, you're almost certainly not the unicorn that the VC is aiming for.

Re: Reasons I Won’t Fund You

#60

> I want to hear that you are building a unicorn — or at least, trying. Is this the mentality of the whole startup/venture capital universe? (Excuse me for being disconnected, this is a completely separate world from mine). Are there no venture capitalists, or young startup kids who want to build companies that just grow slowly and organically, and that are profitable throughout, rather than trying to build some serv…

There are, but the people that like to bootstrap slowly growing companies that are profitable along the way are usually more wary of handing over power and shares into the hands of an investor. As an investor, I would prefer people that flock towards me and hand over their power with flying colors in return for some money.

Sure, but that money is rarely enough.

Investors take on high risk when investing in a startup, but that risk is localized. They typically have a diversified portfolio so that the successes outweigh the failures. As a result their local risk tolerance can be high.

Founders, on the other hand, are typically investing their time, energy, etc., mostly in their company. Their risk isn't localized, so they can't have as high of risk tolerance. As such, they need a higher EV in order to justify an equivalent probability of failure.

Giving up power lowers your EV. In the event of an exit, people with power get paid.

As such, founders should be looking for investors who are collaborators. The investor you're describing should be avoided at all costs, because they're just looking for patsies to take on unreasonable risk for their own gain.

The collaborative model isn't bad for investors--it doesn't have as high of reward if it succeeds, but there's also lower risk because being involved in a company gives you a better idea of when to invest more or pull out.

But this model isn't popular with investors because it takes more work.

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