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Re: JavaScript frameworks and topics to learn in 2017

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Post by bicubic »

sgdesign wrote: post #13
eranation wrote: post #4

Learn programming, not just frameworks. Frameworks will come and go, but the core programming concepts (good design, algorithms, cleanliness, simplicity, data structures, architecture) will tend to stay relevant longer. Learn the principles of Reactive Programming, not just RXJs, learn the philosophy of Redux, not just its syntax. You won't be able to keep up with it otherwise. Source: a guy who was an actionscript g…

This is a nice-sounding programming mantra but it doesn't make much sense in the real world, in my opinion. Learning the "philosophy" of Redux is a natural by-product of learning how to actually use Redux. To me this is the equivalent of saying "learn molecular chemistry, don't follow recipes" to someone who's trying to learn how to cook. It may be true that the most experienced chefs have a deep understanding of che…

That's a pretty apt analogy, really. If you just want to be a line cook at a no name franchise, then by all means, blindly follow recipes. If you want to understand what you're actually doing and have the ability to create new stuff without using a cookie-cutter template, yeah, you're going to need to go deeper.

As a uni student, I had some degree of disdain about being taught from first principles when I really just wanted to build games and apps, but the further I get in my career, the more I appreciate this groundwork. Recipes and frameworks come and go. Theory and first principles are timeless.

Re: JavaScript frameworks and topics to learn in 2017

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Post by weremine »

catshirt wrote: post #17
weremine wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's makes no difference if it's a google project. It fulfills a need, and works. Just because you have a preference for something else doesn't make it any less effective.

"It's makes no difference if it's a google project." you seriously suggest that Google sponsoring a project couldn't possibly catalyze it's success? "Just because you have a preference for something else doesn't make it any less effective." i can usually bear oversimplification- incorrect- or patronizing- but both all three in the same post is pretty testing on my patience.

All I'm suggesting is that just because you are a self described 'react fanboy' (using your own words here from your comment history), it doesn't make Angular less useful in the real world.

I applaud your use of React, but we are using angular2 and it is going just fine. All the best.

Re: JavaScript frameworks and topics to learn in 2017

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Post by gshrikant »

sgdesign wrote: post #13
eranation wrote: post #4

Learn programming, not just frameworks. Frameworks will come and go, but the core programming concepts (good design, algorithms, cleanliness, simplicity, data structures, architecture) will tend to stay relevant longer. Learn the principles of Reactive Programming, not just RXJs, learn the philosophy of Redux, not just its syntax. You won't be able to keep up with it otherwise. Source: a guy who was an actionscript g…

This is a nice-sounding programming mantra but it doesn't make much sense in the real world, in my opinion. Learning the "philosophy" of Redux is a natural by-product of learning how to actually use Redux. To me this is the equivalent of saying "learn molecular chemistry, don't follow recipes" to someone who's trying to learn how to cook. It may be true that the most experienced chefs have a deep understanding of che…

>> To me this is the equivalent of saying "learn molecular chemistry, don't follow recipes" to someone who's trying to learn how to cook.

A more appropriate analogy would be learning specific recipes vs learning the flavour and texture of individual ingredients, so that you can mix them in new ways and learn how existing recipes work. You might want to start at the former but to be even a 'good' cook, you need to learn the latter. I guess this is more in line with the sentiment the GP is trying to express.

Re: JavaScript frameworks and topics to learn in 2017

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Post by tambourine_man »

andretti1977 wrote: post #30

I must be honest, my experience with node was very short but this article suggests me that working with js may be really more complicated than working with java. Too many frameworks (which often lives too shortly), too many things to learn, it's overwhelming...sometimes it seems to me that working with js has become so difficult that working with java and jquery is still easier and better (i know lot of people will t…

I have no problem with difficulty (if interesting), but I get completely blocked by, what seems to me, needless complexity.

The will to learn vanishes completely.

Re: JavaScript frameworks and topics to learn in 2017

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Post by pomber »

heavenlyhash wrote: post #27

I want a javascript framework that allows me to update a page incrementally, but also always works correctly and contains full content from the first server-side page load. Are there any options for this? Are there even keywords I can search for that discuss this? Sure, this files under "anything is possible", but honestly, I'd like a javascript framework that doesn't actively fight me also having static content. Any…

If you are talking about an app shell and lazy-loading page fragments when you need them, check the PRPL pattern. Polymer provides an easy way to do it.

Re: JavaScript frameworks and topics to learn in 2017

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Post by dictum »

> Webpack: The most popular bundler for standard JavaScript look for simple starter kit/boilerplate config examples to get things running fast

Unless you're already familiar with a tool, I'd suggest starting with the very Hello, world basics.

For Webpack, that's creating an empty project and incrementally adding config, starting with just an entry point (use a simple script importing some modules) and an output filename. Add one loader/plugin at a time. Move into boilerplates once you're familiar with the basic concepts.

(I wish more projects had a Concepts page like Webpack now has: https://webpack.js.org/concepts/)

A boilerplate is another person's code, and while it's good to avoid NIH, unless it's superbly documented, it contains tricks and workarounds that only cloud real understanding.

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Eric wisely started the article with JavaScript & DOM Fundamentals. For people like me, who were familiar with pre-ES6 JS but weren't actively writing JS lately, the basics themselves have changed a bit.

Re: JavaScript frameworks and topics to learn in 2017

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Post by k__ »

sgdesign wrote: post #13
eranation wrote: post #4

Learn programming, not just frameworks. Frameworks will come and go, but the core programming concepts (good design, algorithms, cleanliness, simplicity, data structures, architecture) will tend to stay relevant longer. Learn the principles of Reactive Programming, not just RXJs, learn the philosophy of Redux, not just its syntax. You won't be able to keep up with it otherwise. Source: a guy who was an actionscript g…

This is a nice-sounding programming mantra but it doesn't make much sense in the real world, in my opinion. Learning the "philosophy" of Redux is a natural by-product of learning how to actually use Redux. To me this is the equivalent of saying "learn molecular chemistry, don't follow recipes" to someone who's trying to learn how to cook. It may be true that the most experienced chefs have a deep understanding of che…

That's a bad analogy.

Cooking is much less complex, so learning it without much background works rather well.

Just look what your philosophy brought us, a horde of 'developers' who thought JavaScript is jQuery.

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