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Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

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Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#11
This is a great question. And 6 months after the last update is a good time to be asking it.

It's much less efficient for both YC and individuals if every interested individual started emailing and asking for updates. Much better this way - after all that's why broadcast or pub-sub systems exist. HN is kind of a curated broadcast system.

It often happens that people who're working on the project might not find 'right now' to be the ideal time to share updates. This could be either because they're immersed thinking through a particularly challenging aspect of the problem/solution, or they feel a little lost (which is a normal feeling in the middle of ambitious projects). Sharing an update at that point makes you feel vulnerable, but that's exactly what you need to do.

Or it could be that they have a really promising angle and want to see more data before writing something up. The 'more data' approach is usually a mirage (promising approaches start showing potential even at early stages/small scale) and sharing progress helps the project even in that case. (For example, you might learn that a similar approach has been tried before, and here is what someone learnt).

Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#12

I don't work on YCR Basic Income, but the early steps of any experiment are pretty time consuming and not particularly interesting (e.g. logistics, experiment structure, etc...) I'd guess we can expect an update early next year with some of those details and a reflection on existing progress. In their blogpost, they provide an email for feedback: basicincome@ycr.org They're likely very consumed by all the work they n…

I expect there are quite a few people here who would find logistics, experiment structure, etc... fascinating. Which is not to say it's necessarily the best use of their time to update us on it.

Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#13

"Please don't post on HN to ask or tell us something (e.g. to ask us questions about Y Combinator, or to ask or complain about moderation)" https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If YC is going to use HN to promote themselves, seems only fair to allow the community to query them via HN.

Except for the fact that YC explicitly said don't do this...

Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#15
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If YC is going to use HN to promote themselves, seems only fair to allow the community to query them via HN.

Except for the fact that YC explicitly said don't do this...

Which is not necessarily a reason not too. That's the double-edge of company backed fora.

Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#16
I'm not sure what there is to update. I'm guessing they chose some "interesting" people (as in whose outcomes will most likely to advance their agenda), and doled out a monthly "income" for them -- as in, they literally handed them cash for 6 months (personally, I would've just kept on working full-time). Nothing magical to report back on there, right?

This doesn't really show the economic effects of "basic income" on a macro scale though (I claim that they are so drastic that they are actually worth understanding first, but can't personally think of a better "experimentation platform"). Also, I doubt the project will really do much to actually influence public policy in a way that would favor UBI.

It's also probably shocking to a lot of people that Uber's self-driving cars really weren't as good as they were supposed to be, so now it makes YC look like they _really_ just jumped the gun.

Call it "Basic Income," but really, it's "giving money to people" on a small scale.

Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#17
We've started giving money to a small pilot group. We're still working out the kinks but expanding it slowly.

The plan is still to run the pilot until we're confident everything is working well (especially with issues like making sure no one loses eligibility for income-based benefits) and then start the full-scale study.

Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#18

"Please don't post on HN to ask or tell us something (e.g. to ask us questions about Y Combinator, or to ask or complain about moderation)" https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Are you actually a mod though? Rule call-outs are almost always even more noisy than the original offense was.

Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#19
post #17

We've started giving money to a small pilot group. We're still working out the kinks but expanding it slowly. The plan is still to run the pilot until we're confident everything is working well (especially with issues like making sure no one loses eligibility for income-based benefits) and then start the full-scale study.

What is the status of the MOOC? When can we expect additional details?

YC should consider writing the occasional blog post about the projects it's working, it would be interesting to follow and the feedback from HN might be useful.

Re: Ask YC: Any Updates on the Basic Income Project?

#20
post #17

We've started giving money to a small pilot group. We're still working out the kinks but expanding it slowly. The plan is still to run the pilot until we're confident everything is working well (especially with issues like making sure no one loses eligibility for income-based benefits) and then start the full-scale study.

Yes. Losing eligibility for programs is a big issue. Reminds me of when I had an elderly family member's situation optimized for maximum benefits between medicare, medicaid, subsidized housing (section 8) and other benefits. One of her (well-meaning) neighbors found out she wasn't getting a certain benefit and took her (without advising me) to an agency to sign her up. Unfortunately, that event had cascading effects that caused her to lose other benefits. The situation took me a year to undo.
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