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Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by nicolia »

nice_byte wrote: post #31
nicolia wrote: post #8

I actually don't mind being a human machine. Not that I've had the chance yet. I'm still in college to get my CS degree and would fall into one of those people where "coding is a Craft". I genuinely love programming. I don't have a family, or really desire one. My weekend plans always consist of building another project of my own. A place that will let me code all day, give me a nap room, a shower, some salary, and f…

> implying embedded systems people wouldn't put your skills to shame

My point isn't about skill. My point is that it is a slower moving area of software development.

Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by nicolia »

nzubair wrote: post #16
nicolia wrote: post #8

I actually don't mind being a human machine. Not that I've had the chance yet. I'm still in college to get my CS degree and would fall into one of those people where "coding is a Craft". I genuinely love programming. I don't have a family, or really desire one. My weekend plans always consist of building another project of my own. A place that will let me code all day, give me a nap room, a shower, some salary, and f…

Just because the author has his priorities figured out doesn't mean that "this field isn't for them."

For a field that doesn't cater to people with families and other life obligations too well, I think it does.

Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by nicolia »

softawre wrote: post #40
nicolia wrote: post #8

I actually don't mind being a human machine. Not that I've had the chance yet. I'm still in college to get my CS degree and would fall into one of those people where "coding is a Craft". I genuinely love programming. I don't have a family, or really desire one. My weekend plans always consist of building another project of my own. A place that will let me code all day, give me a nap room, a shower, some salary, and f…

> and would fall into one of those people where "coding is a Craft". Dude(ette), you're still in college. You don't even know what it's like to have a real engineering job yet. Do me a favor, save this post and look at it in 5 years.

I've interned at a multibillion euro company for a couple of years. I have an idea of what it's like.

Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by nicolia »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #14
nicolia wrote: post #8

I actually don't mind being a human machine. Not that I've had the chance yet. I'm still in college to get my CS degree and would fall into one of those people where "coding is a Craft". I genuinely love programming. I don't have a family, or really desire one. My weekend plans always consist of building another project of my own. A place that will let me code all day, give me a nap room, a shower, some salary, and f…

“I'm too old to know everything” ― Oscar Wilde

What is that supposed to mean? I'm not claiming to know everything.

Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

jknoepfler wrote: post #38
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People fail fizz buzz all the time.

I don't believe that. I'd really like a 21st century study showing that devs with > 3 years of experience fail fizz buzz, and that failure is predictive of being a bad developer (and not being a shitty interviewer)

I've never given a fizzbuzz test, but I can assure you that many people fail to write a simple for... loop to traverse an mxn square. I've seen it so many times that I have absolutely no problem believing that the same people would fail fizzbuzz.

You really don't realize how bad candidates can be until after you've interviewed dozens of them.

Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by logicallee »

bubblesocks wrote: post #6
shakna wrote: post #2

> When companies say they want "passionate developers" that are coding in their free time, when companies say they want "the best," I get nervous. It's a myopic approach to team building. It's a subtle way of requesting human machines. I take issue with this. I don't write code in my spare time for fun, I have a family. When I do write it, and when I do Open Source it, it's because it makes my life easier. It makes i…

I've had a few companies ask me for my Github account, so they can see what code I've written. I never give it out, because I think the request is pointless to start with. A friend of mine, who works for a well-known technology giant, recently told me about a Linux guru they interviewed and hired. He was amazing in the interview, and they gave him an offer on the spot. When he started working, however, he constantly…

Hi, I was really interested in this story:

>A couple of months later, one of the members of the team who had interviewed this guy flew out to where he was working, and discovered that the guy sitting in the cube doing the work was not the guy they had interviewed. It was someone else.

This seems absolutely incredible to me (just in the slang sense, I don't mean that I'm incredulous). I mean it's way more than enough for the company to sue for fraud the (highly qualified) person who showed up to the interview, or to sue the person doing it. TBH if I were that company I would likely sue for damages. I mean it's just so blatant and goes so far.

I've never heard of this. So I would be curious if you would reply with a somewhat more detailed write-up (maybe 1 or 2 paragraphs) of anything else you know about that case! But, maybe you've mentioned everything already. (You said a friend of yours told you about this case, so I realize we are reading this third-hand.) I would just be really interested if you could mention anything else you remember.

Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

x0x0 wrote: post #30
dvcrn wrote: post #13

Here's a little example what happened to me: I interviewed with a company. Naturally they asked for my side projects which I showed them. We talked about technical challenges, scaling, interesting bits of codes - all these kind of things. They were really excited. I passed the interviews and got the job. Fast forward a couple month, still working on my side projects, some of which started generating a couple hundred…

I've been penalized for showing side projects and kaggle entries that weren't production quality code. No shit it's not production code, because it's not going into production. I quit working on them when I stopped learning, and that was well before code polishing.

To be completely fair, if you are showing a project you have done, it should be a good representation of your abilities. Treat it like how other industries treat "portfolios" or "writing samples".

Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by ne01 »

derekp7 wrote: post #37
dvcrn wrote: post #13

Here's a little example what happened to me: I interviewed with a company. Naturally they asked for my side projects which I showed them. We talked about technical challenges, scaling, interesting bits of codes - all these kind of things. They were really excited. I passed the interviews and got the job. Fast forward a couple month, still working on my side projects, some of which started generating a couple hundred…

So if you have any other interests, such as rebuilding old cars, would that boss still have a problem with it? That is the thing I don't get, is how some companies see a big difference between regular hobbies and programing related hobbies.

I only know a few companies that promote a healthy work/life ratio.

I believe that on average non-tech companies treat their employees better and give them more right and freedom.

With non-tech companies you usually sell your time. But with tech companies you sell your brain power, if your side projects affect your brain contribution to that company for sure they don't want that.

So silly of them, I always say this. Companies should stop treating their employees as assets.

And let me say again, there are successful tech companies run by smart people that don't do this! And most employees including the founders are happier because of it.

At SunSed we believe that we should treat business like a passionate music band — making money is not the ultimate goal — the ultimate goal is to see people enjoying your music while you enjoy playing!

Re: I have no side code projects to show

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Post by reustle »

WalterSear wrote: post #39

I've built a ton of side projects. No one has ever shown anything more than a nodding interest in them, as they lead me to a whiteboard and ask me to regurgitate a couple of pages from Crack the Coding Interview.

Then it sounds like you're interviewing at the wrong kinds of companies
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