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NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

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Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

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post #42

This is probably a tremendously dumb question, but what are the major impediments to literally sticking a big freaking balloon to the top of a rocket and floating it up much of the way?

Why bother with the rocket? It sounds mad, but you can actually just send the balloon. to orbit... http://www.jpaerospace.com/atohandout.pdf

Why do they need the space station part?

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

#52
post #47

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The altitude gain is significantly less important than the horizontal velocity. An aircraft can easily launch from the equator and add 650+MPH.

Note that this launch wasn't from the equator, because this constellation needs to overfly hurricanes. It's fairly uncommon for LEO satellites to want to be at the equator. GEO, extremely common.

Launching from the equator is useful for a wide range of orbits as a component of the final vector 1600km/h is really not that fast and your final orbit crosses the equator anyway. The only issue is if the ideal launch point is not over the ocean. Also, there is a wide band near the equator with close to optimal velocity.

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

#53
post #42

This is probably a tremendously dumb question, but what are the major impediments to literally sticking a big freaking balloon to the top of a rocket and floating it up much of the way?

Why bother with the rocket? It sounds mad, but you can actually just send the balloon. to orbit... http://www.jpaerospace.com/atohandout.pdf

It's a neat idea but I'm not sure the materials science is there. Right now out best balloon material leaks a fair amount of helium over time. Then there's trying to make a ship that's large enough to carry enough helium to float itself up there then rigid enough to survive the extreme velocities to fly up. Seems like there's a huge gap there that might just not be possible to cross.

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

#54

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For those of us just watching, what is attitude? At first I though spellcheck might have corrected it from altitude, but 3 times among 2 differently people I see attitude.

It's orientation, AFAIK, what direction it's facing.

Yep. Think of it like right ascension, declination, and roll from astronomy. Given attitude, your position, and the time, you can know where you are pointing on the Earth (lat/lon).

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

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I have this dream that someday we'll build a SR-710 that's 10x the size and carry a BIG payload. And then putting stuff into orbit will basically be strapping your thing to a "big" upper stage (but small relative to a whole rocket stack), loading it into the cargo bay and then some fancy flying. I know it'll never happen for a variety of reasons. But it's such a cool plane and when you think about cruising at mach 3…

One big reason it'll never happen: The square-cube law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube_law

Physics is such a killjoy.

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

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Star trackers are usually just used for attitude, not position. I've heard of research to use them in conjunction with a camera pointed at Earth to resolve coastlines to get position, but it's very theoretical at this point AFAIK.

For those of us just watching, what is attitude? At first I though spellcheck might have corrected it from altitude, but 3 times among 2 differently people I see attitude.

Altitude is how high your body is.

Attitude is which direction your face is pointing. Imagine a satellite meant to photograph the earth at the right altitude but the wrong attitude could just be taking nice shots of outer space.

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this launch wasn't from the equator, because this constellation needs to overfly hurricanes. It's fairly uncommon for LEO satellites to want to be at the equator. GEO, extremely common.

Launching from the equator is useful for a wide range of orbits as a component of the final vector 1600km/h is really not that fast and your final orbit crosses the equator anyway. The only issue is if the ideal launch point is not over the ocean. Also, there is a wide band near the equator with close to optimal velocity.

Yeah, I suppose my comment was not the most clever. In this case they were only launching 1/2 the max payload so performance wasn't really an issue anyway.

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this launch wasn't from the equator, because this constellation needs to overfly hurricanes. It's fairly uncommon for LEO satellites to want to be at the equator. GEO, extremely common.

Launching from the equator is useful for a wide range of orbits as a component of the final vector 1600km/h is really not that fast and your final orbit crosses the equator anyway. The only issue is if the ideal launch point is not over the ocean. Also, there is a wide band near the equator with close to optimal velocity.

It's about 5% of the final velocity, but that's way more than 5% fuel savings because you don't have to suspend million of pounds against gravity for a minute and also don't have to accelerate that fuel.

For example Saturn V used 40% of its total fuel to get up to this speed. That's a huge savings.

Unless I am reading the data incorrectly:

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/SaturnV.pdf

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

#59
A little off topic.. I've always wondered why NASA lunched rockets from Cape Canaveral (only 3 meters above sea level).

Granted, it's a little tricky to transport rockets, but surely it would have made more sense to move the operations to a mountain near the equator?

How much fuel would be saved by lunching 3000 meters above sea level instead?

Re: NASA just launched 8 satellites from a rocket dropped from a plane at 40,000ft

#60

A little off topic.. I've always wondered why NASA lunched rockets from Cape Canaveral (only 3 meters above sea level). Granted, it's a little tricky to transport rockets, but surely it would have made more sense to move the operations to a mountain near the equator? How much fuel would be saved by lunching 3000 meters above sea level instead?

Not much at all. Low earth orbit is ~200km so the mountain is only helping by 1.5% of the needed altitude.

Altitude is not even the most difficult part of getting to orbit. Getting to the necessary horizontal speed to stay in space takes a hell of a lot more fuel than going straight up.

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