Oracle finally targets Java non-payers six years after plucking Sun

Post by hocuspocus » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 12:03 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #75

hocuspocus wrote: post #54

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Or people simply want to avoid installing the proprietary software that is bundled with Oracle JDK. With the added benefit of running the same JDK on your dev machine and on your servers.

Which leads to the interesting situation that not all Java GUI applications run properly in GNU/Linux with OpenJDK, forcing companies like JetBrains to bundle their own fork for those not willing to install Oracle JVM or another third party vendor. Because actually OpenJDK isn't 100% 1:1 to the closed source versions.

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 12:05 AM UTC

jmiserez wrote: post #69

astrodust wrote: post #60

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His "quirks" are what harms his message. The same could be said for his long-time collaborator ESR who has some quirks that are beyond eating shit from his feet. You want a spokesperson for something they better be worthy of respect. That's their primary function. It's not being a sage of truth. People listen to those they respect, and his behaviour at times is so out of line that he spends more time destroying his c…

People sometimes are just thick, focusing on "quirks" instead of the content. I get that people might disagree with his views, but why would they think he's not worthy of respect?

Post by pjmlp » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 8:10 AM UTC

astrodust wrote: post #61

pjmlp wrote: post #47

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I doubt most enterprises would be willing to go back to C++.

C++ is as much as dead in the enterprise outside of a few niche concerns. It's just too hard to get right. C# and Java are significantly more forgiving and for most use cases are perfectly adequate. Performance is a reasonable concern, but not the primary driver of language choice. If you look at the sort of Java code some people churn out in an enterprise environment you'd be glad they weren't using C++ which has si…

Post by smonff » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 11:53 AM UTC

Post by vorg » Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 10:46 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #49

revelation wrote: post #43

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Maven, where your build script is actually declarative XML that might or might not run. Maven, which spends a minute contacting random servers all over the world only to tell you there is a closing tag missing. I still have a repository where Surefire (hah) refuses to run any tests. Impossible to debug. No, that pile won't be missed.

I will rather take Maven a full day over a few seconds with Gradle.