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Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by hueving »

croon wrote: post #121
hueving wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that whenever there is a change of parties in control, the incumbent party is always going to lament the fact that it's the end of the world. Time will tell if the new FCC administration is actually bad for the consumer.

While I in many scenarios in theory could agree with you, this portrayal is very disingenous unless you think Net Neutrality is somehow bad for consumers, because going off party politics on these issues, this WILL be bad.

And the new head of the FCC has declared the end of net neutrality?

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by croon »

hueving wrote: post #191
croon wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I in many scenarios in theory could agree with you, this portrayal is very disingenous unless you think Net Neutrality is somehow bad for consumers, because going off party politics on these issues, this WILL be bad.

And the new head of the FCC has declared the end of net neutrality?

http://fortune.com/2016/12/15/obama-fcc-chair-resignation-st...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/trump-will-have-n...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/12/15...

Any candidate put forth by the republicans will attempt to do so, yes. And in the meantime they have a 2-1 majority and will likely aim for it even before that happens.

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by astrodust »

croon wrote: post #192
hueving wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the new head of the FCC has declared the end of net neutrality?

http://fortune.com/2016/12/15/obama-fcc-chair-resignation-st... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/trump-will-have-n... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/12/15... Any candidate put forth by the republicans will attempt to do so, yes. And in the meantime they have a 2-1 majority and will likely aim for it even before that happens.

We need a term for the opposite of net neutrality.

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by croon »

astrodust wrote: post #193
croon wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://fortune.com/2016/12/15/obama-fcc-chair-resignation-st... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/trump-will-have-n... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/12/15... Any candidate put forth by the republicans will attempt to do so, yes. And in the meantime they have a 2-1 majority and will likely aim for it even before that happens.

We need a term for the opposite of net neutrality.

Net partiality?

What I've heard most often to describe it is "tiered network access". But preferably I don't want a term for it, because it shouldn't exist.

"That which shall not be named"?

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by Dylan16807 »

bdhess wrote: post #174
anigbrowl wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. Congress is only in session part of the time. Lawmaking - as opposed to politicking - currently requires a quorum and that legislators actually go on the record with both arguments and votes. It's where the rubber of governance meets the road and politicians can't pander to all and sundry while shrugging off criticism by saying 'they misspoke' and so on, but must instead commit to some sort of position (…

It's hard to reconcile your logic with Hamilton's from Federalist #67: The ordinary power of appointment is confined to the President and Senate JOINTLY, and can therefore only be exercised during the session of the Senate; but as it would have been improper to oblige this body to be continually in session for the appointment of officers and as vacancies might happen IN THEIR RECESS, which it might be necessary for t…

If they were actually in session it would be fine. It's faking it that's awful.

A recess appointment seems fair here to me. It's not the rules that the president would be working around, it's a failure of congress to act.

Both sides are supposed to have power here. Ideally if either side refuses to do their job for long enough, the other one should be able to install a temporary appointee.

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by dragonwriter »

astrodust wrote: post #193
croon wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://fortune.com/2016/12/15/obama-fcc-chair-resignation-st... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/trump-will-have-n... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/12/15... Any candidate put forth by the republicans will attempt to do so, yes. And in the meantime they have a 2-1 majority and will likely aim for it even before that happens.

We need a term for the opposite of net neutrality.

ISP-controlled walled gardens.

Or, soon enough, "the way the internet works today"

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by astrodust »

croon wrote: post #194
astrodust wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need a term for the opposite of net neutrality.

Net partiality? What I've heard most often to describe it is "tiered network access". But preferably I don't want a term for it, because it shouldn't exist. "That which shall not be named"?

True, but fighting practices often requires naming them so people know what you're talking about. "Bias" is a technical term already, so...

In actuality it's a form of double-billing, of collecting from both the sender and receiver even though both they've both paid for access to the other already.

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by anigbrowl »

koolba wrote: post #114
gutnor wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems to be the rule. Whatever past government set a lower standard, the new government can take that as useful approved governing tool. Really people wonder why politician sometimes fight for nonsensical minor tweaks that look like a waste a taxpayer money, but that's exactly it. Most of the government way of working is ruled by tradition rather than law and new laws are created in case of abuse. After a few cy…

Exactly my point. A "nuclear" level of the same standoff is regarding changing cloture rules. The party in power can do it as a rule change (which can't be filibustered) but nobody has done so till now because they don't want to not be in power when that goes in effect.

Amusingly enough now I am the one to tell you that Harry Reid did in fact do this in 2013, albeit for lower-court appointments. So I guess it was more of a tactical nuke than a strategic one, but that may well be cited as precedent next month. I think there's a high likelihood of the Senate doing exactly that at the beginning of the next term or soon after.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#Events_of_Novem...

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by anigbrowl »

bdhess wrote: post #174
anigbrowl wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. Congress is only in session part of the time. Lawmaking - as opposed to politicking - currently requires a quorum and that legislators actually go on the record with both arguments and votes. It's where the rubber of governance meets the road and politicians can't pander to all and sundry while shrugging off criticism by saying 'they misspoke' and so on, but must instead commit to some sort of position (…

It's hard to reconcile your logic with Hamilton's from Federalist #67: The ordinary power of appointment is confined to the President and Senate JOINTLY, and can therefore only be exercised during the session of the Senate; but as it would have been improper to oblige this body to be continually in session for the appointment of officers and as vacancies might happen IN THEIR RECESS, which it might be necessary for t…

I disagree, but I applaud the high quality of your argument.

it seems reasonable that if the Senate would prefer to remain permanently in session so as not to diminish its authority, it's within its right to do so

Legally yes, politically no. There's no quorum so it's not possible to transact any legislative business and everyone knows this. That gap between the procedural state and reality delegitimizes the procedure through its self-evident falsity.

If the public perceives the government to be a sham, why keep obeying it? I suggest to you that the emergent political reality is that the constitution is becoming a dead letter and that the Declaration of Independence more closely mirrors national sentiment.

Re: Tom Wheeler Resigns from the FCC

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Post by bluetwo »

Spivak wrote: post #187
bluetwo wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like it. I was thinking "What if gas stations could charge you based in the car you drove, and asked car companies to pay these 'fees'?"

Customer: "These two cars are basically the same price, but if I go with the Honda I get $0.25 off per gallon. Cool, let's go with that one."

But what if the Honda now costs more or has less features?
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