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Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#171
I'm not old, 32, but this problem worries me. My plan for addressing the "Must keep up with latest tech" problem is to CREATE the latest technology. My hope if I create enough of it that in 15 years I'll be that old guy who created tech X or Y and nobody is going to bother wondering if I can keep up. Will this plan work? Who knows.

Best way to predict the future is create it right?

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#172

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"There's nothing stupid about working for $30,000 doing a job that's worth half a million, when your friends are earning $20,000 as barristas at starbucks." That's patently false. Undervaluing your labor because your friends work in a poorly compensated industry makes no sense. If anything the money you are earning when you are younger is more important to secure for ROI purposes.

All right: to the best of my current understanding, there is nothing wrong with ever taking a salary vastly under market in one's twenties, including literally performing CTO-level work worth half a million and equal to the work of many developers under you (or hell, even leading or directing them), for $30,000. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's not a bad life choice. Especially if one's social life is also i…

I don't think you're wrong, per se, but barring that I'm really unclear on what point you're trying to make.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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I'm 63 with a BS in Chemistry and MS in Environmental Systems Engineer. I was a student teacher of microbiology when I was in graduate school. I started coding fortran in HS about 1969 or 1970. > I'm pretty knowledgeable about paid search and social but I don't think my Political Science degree has anything to do with that. To imply that someone's age precludes them from understanding paid search, mobile advertising,…

so you're the exception to the norm; you're one data point against... ;)

The norm? Which would be the general public? I think you will find anyone who can solve an equation is an exception to the norm. A computer programmer of ANY competence, even an amateur 12 year old, is 3 standard deviations outside the norm. And if you're going to restrict your norm to just computer professionals... you'd best run some numbers before making assumptions.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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> I don't think a job-board is the right solution to this problem because the pitch on TryOldster does nothing to alleviate the three principal concerns. jobboard = take money from company who puts job ad It's never been about solving the problem. It's about making money off the problem ;)

Making money off the problem = 1M Solving the problem = 1B

Thinking it's a tech solvable problem = 1M mistake.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#175
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Brilliant! I'm only 30 but I know plenty of older folks that have a hard time finding jobs. This is basically an issue across all industries. I'd love to get involved in this and help it grow.

Across all industries? Really?

Ok the word 'All' implies quite a bit, but I definitely think it's an issue in a lot of industries. Yes age and experience definitely get you to much higher positions but I was thinking of 50+ aged people losing their jobs and then having to find a new company to work for. I've worked in a variety of places and definitely see the trend of it being difficult to get hired or to fit in. The company I currently work for basically runs all of the healthcare in my state and for team lead and supervisor positions upper management seems to prefer people in their early twenties because they're more "pliable". There are men and women here that are older and needed a job to support their family and they're stuck making way less than their experience dictates. I see them getting passed up for promotions and opportunities all the time. Obviously I can't definitively say it's ageism because I don't think things like that are always explicit but from talking to them they definitely infer that that's the reason. Could it be a lack of ambition or that they used their fire up at their previous jobs? Maybe. Something like this is never black and white so who knows?

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It is not that bad. All are in a push CMS. We have a staff for content and UX. Many sites are small. Probably total 15,000 pages for all sites. These are univeristy sites so they are not complex apps. But there is a lot of backend code and middleware for pushing files to the CDN and to an xml database.

All right. I'll be honest, I forgot what thread we were on, I was just in awe at all of the sites you run. My next thought was, "man, I wish I could use some guy like him, but he is just too expensive." One thing is for sure: there are definitely, 100%, no-questions about it, over 1 people who can be reached and who, at least for a few months, would take over 15,000 pages and 154+ sites. (An early 20s hacker). For un…

This is honestly the strangest logic I've read on this site. You're basically arguing for exploiting workers by undervaluing them and saying it's ok because people's lives change?

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#177
post #33
post #6

Brilliant! I'm only 30 but I know plenty of older folks that have a hard time finding jobs. This is basically an issue across all industries. I'd love to get involved in this and help it grow.

I've heard it said before that ageism is the only -ism that everyone ends up experiencing. You're 30, and I'm 32, which means that in a decade we'll both be in a federally protected class. I don't think there would be federal protections if ageism wasn't a huge problem for 40+ people. In another decade, we'll both be in our 50s, where ageism is definitely a problem. I think all younger people, myself included, have a…

Let's fight the good fight. Preemptive job security...I like it haha.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#178
post #42

If you take a survey of hiring managers they will point to three primary reasons that candidates 40 - 60 have a harder time finding jobs: 1) They are typically more expensive than "market" for the same role a younger person can fulfill at acceptable tradeoff of competency - higher salaries, higher related costs like healthcare for a family, expectations around retirement programs, etc. 2) They are less flexible - the…

I read #2 about kids and beer bonding and it really irks the heck out of me. This is our industry? A bunch of selfish immatures? Nice.

Yeah it irks me when people with kids think they are better than people who don't too. ;)

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#179
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm 63 with a BS in Chemistry and MS in Environmental Systems Engineer. I was a student teacher of microbiology when I was in graduate school. I started coding fortran in HS about 1969 or 1970. > I'm pretty knowledgeable about paid search and social but I don't think my Political Science degree has anything to do with that. To imply that someone's age precludes them from understanding paid search, mobile advertising,…

so you're the exception to the norm; you're one data point against... ;)

I am 49 and have a CS Degree, ~25 years experience. I run my own mobile/web development company out of my home, making more money than I ever have before. I've been in business for about 3 years and each year my revenue increases by 20-30% I am principle architect and coder.

In order to do this, I have had to learn new languages, frameworks and new ways of thinking about things. Some of those "new" things weren't difficult, they just required tweaking old ways of looking at things.

For example, older mobile devices are resource constrained. Having to think about conservation while coding isn't new. I started my career coding on shitty MS Dos system where if you had 640K of memory, it was a high-end machine. The tweaking comes in with the addition of other constrains such as battery life, coalescing radio usage and the fact that the OS can decide to shut down your app and restart it at any time, but the user's expectation is it should be the way the just left it.

Continually learning and reinventing myself is just the way things are now. If you haven't had to deal with that yet, just wait. It will come.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#180
post #171

I'm not old, 32, but this problem worries me. My plan for addressing the "Must keep up with latest tech" problem is to CREATE the latest technology. My hope if I create enough of it that in 15 years I'll be that old guy who created tech X or Y and nobody is going to bother wondering if I can keep up. Will this plan work? Who knows. Best way to predict the future is create it right?

31.5 here and I have definitely caught on to the "create the future" tack, although I'm taking a mixed approach that isn't purely technology-driven, but more generally "change agent" - so, entrepreneurial, managerial, design, technology, community leadership, any opportunity I spot. I see it as all one rolling snowball that I can find ways to merge together as I push it upwards.
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