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Re: Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader

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Post by jasonlotito »

digler999 wrote: post #111
supernovae wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find these kind of comments depressing mostly because they scream "group think". (my inner circle says this, so I repeat it) The new MS is much different than the MS I grew up with in the 90s. It's time for the community to recognize this and just let people bask in positive news that is worthy the bask in. I love my Surface Pro 4, I love the fact .net is cross platform, I love that Azure is fast and easy to use, I…

> I love my Surface Pro 4, I'd love one if I could put linux on it. or if I could buy an OEM pc without an OS (and yes I know there are some vendors that "allow" (just that word makes me cringe) you to do it, but it should be a right). If, by their own definition, it's "intellectual" (and not material) property, then if I dont use it I shouldn't have to pay for it. If they want to sell Surface because it's an awesome…

> I'd love one if I could put linux on it

You can.

https://ramsdenj.com/2016/08/29/arch-linux-on-the-surface-pr...

"Something that sets the Surface apart from other popular tablets, is that it doesn’t artificially limit your capabilities. If you want to use it as a laptop, or install alternate operating systems on it, you are free to do so. I think the Surface is going to make a great Linux laptop, and I look forward to spending some time playing with it."

Re: Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader

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Post by aswerty »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #144

I recently bought a Lenovo sporting Windows 10 and decided to give it a fair try. I've been using Windows exclusively on my personal laptop for about 2 months and so far it's a good experience. This is after 16 years of running linux (or briefly a mac) on the desktop. The window manager is tolerable (not as good as Xmonad, but equivalent to Unity). Windows subsystem for linux is letting me get my work done with no pr…

I'm a massive fan of .NET and MVC as a development stack and think VS is the bees knees when it comes to my IDE (with a Vi plugin of course). But I'm hugely excited about .NET Core for the sole reason of abandoning the Windows OS. It really is a horror, it comes bundled with crapware which gets reinstalled when a major update is applied, the major updates are foisted upon you whether you want them or not, after a major update they re-pin their own products to the start bar, there is numerous thing you have to switch off to opt out of their data gathering (and I believe there's some data gathering it's not possible to switch off), they don't allow you to uninstall certain software such as Edge, they don't give the user the means to change OS and re-install Windows if your copy of it was bundled when buying the computer, and that's about all I can think of at the moment.

But pretty much everything I listed above is Microsoft willfully doing things at the expense of the user for their own sake. I could list loads of other things that I'd prefer they did another way but I wanted to highlight things that weren't just subjective preferences.

Re: Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

anon987 wrote: post #5

Microsoft continues to try to convince us that they are great with press releases and non-organic stories such as this. I, my peers, and my co-workers just don't see it. With billions in reserve it's no surprise they are trying to buy popularity.

WSJ doesn't accept press releases.

Re: Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader

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Post by bb611 »

digler999 wrote: post #111
supernovae wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find these kind of comments depressing mostly because they scream "group think". (my inner circle says this, so I repeat it) The new MS is much different than the MS I grew up with in the 90s. It's time for the community to recognize this and just let people bask in positive news that is worthy the bask in. I love my Surface Pro 4, I love the fact .net is cross platform, I love that Azure is fast and easy to use, I…

> I love my Surface Pro 4, I'd love one if I could put linux on it. or if I could buy an OEM pc without an OS (and yes I know there are some vendors that "allow" (just that word makes me cringe) you to do it, but it should be a right). If, by their own definition, it's "intellectual" (and not material) property, then if I dont use it I shouldn't have to pay for it. If they want to sell Surface because it's an awesome…

It appears that you can, it's just hard: https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/4t64zt/gettin...

It looks like most of the linux issues are due to MS doing some weird architectural things (touch calculations on the GPU, etc), but that's just what I was able to find out with 2 minutes on the first thing google popped up.

Re: Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader

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Post by rajeshp1986 »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #144

I recently bought a Lenovo sporting Windows 10 and decided to give it a fair try. I've been using Windows exclusively on my personal laptop for about 2 months and so far it's a good experience. This is after 16 years of running linux (or briefly a mac) on the desktop. The window manager is tolerable (not as good as Xmonad, but equivalent to Unity). Windows subsystem for linux is letting me get my work done with no pr…

I have not used windows in a while, but the 2 things I found annoying with Microsoft and the reasons why I switched around 8 years back were:

1) Most of the windows laptops doesn't age very well. By the 3rd year the computer starts feeling like its become quite old. I needed hardware upgrades every year to keep my computer running. One of my friends suggested me to try Apple. I am running a Mac pro which is almost 5 years old but still runs everything and I am confident that I can use it for 2 more years. I can't say that for Windows laptops, partly the reason is the hardware is manufactured by Dell/Lenovo or some other vendor. I hope Microsoft surface books provide some longetivity.

2) My internet experience with Microsoft pushed me to move out of Linux. There are so many viruses/malwares out there trying to corrupt your system. You cannot live without an anti-virus and even then chances are that you will end up corrupting your system and has to do re-install windows or format your hard disk. I am done with that shit now..I don't remember doing any OS re-install or formatting in last 7 years. As a developer I can focus on writing code and browing internet.

Just before writing this comment, I had to work in a client's remote windows machine and it was still a terrible experience. Windows still doesn't have a decent way to tail the logs!!!

One more thing If I am running a server, Can someone tell microsoft :

1) why I need a GUI running on it? 2) The user home folder has "Music" & "Movies" folders. What is the purpose of those folders in Windows Server OS?

I agree that Microsoft is becoming more open as a company and embracing new technologies. But I really think they should drop Windows completely and build a new OS from scratch(Just like they dropped IE & started edge browser) rather than doing patch works and improving it. It has some serious underlying architecture issues.

Re: Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader

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Post by ownagefool »

rajeshp1986 wrote: post #205
yummyfajitas wrote: post #144

I recently bought a Lenovo sporting Windows 10 and decided to give it a fair try. I've been using Windows exclusively on my personal laptop for about 2 months and so far it's a good experience. This is after 16 years of running linux (or briefly a mac) on the desktop. The window manager is tolerable (not as good as Xmonad, but equivalent to Unity). Windows subsystem for linux is letting me get my work done with no pr…

I have not used windows in a while, but the 2 things I found annoying with Microsoft and the reasons why I switched around 8 years back were: 1) Most of the windows laptops doesn't age very well. By the 3rd year the computer starts feeling like its become quite old. I needed hardware upgrades every year to keep my computer running. One of my friends suggested me to try Apple. I am running a Mac pro which is almost 5…

Not much of a Windows fan but https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd184075.aspx

Re: Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader

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Post by digler999 »

jasonlotito wrote: post #201
digler999 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I love my Surface Pro 4, I'd love one if I could put linux on it. or if I could buy an OEM pc without an OS (and yes I know there are some vendors that "allow" (just that word makes me cringe) you to do it, but it should be a right). If, by their own definition, it's "intellectual" (and not material) property, then if I dont use it I shouldn't have to pay for it. If they want to sell Surface because it's an awesome…

> I'd love one if I could put linux on it You can. https://ramsdenj.com/2016/08/29/arch-linux-on-the-surface-pr... "Something that sets the Surface apart from other popular tablets, is that it doesn’t artificially limit your capabilities. If you want to use it as a laptop, or install alternate operating systems on it, you are free to do so. I think the Surface is going to make a great Linux laptop, and I look forward…

thank you for the clarification. I was aware that linux was great on surface 1,2 models, and last I had checked, either v3 or 4 were completely locked.

Re: Microsoft, Rebooted, Emerges as a Tech Leader

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Post by cutler »

Whatever may have changed on the surface MS will always be MS, ie. dictating what you can and cannot do with your machine. Hell, you even need their permission to dual boot now. How is that progress? I lived through the years of the MS monopoly and watched them intentionally leave IE festering with standards incompatibilities. They set back progress a good 10 years before Mozilla and Google took matters into their own hands. I learnt my lesson - never trust anything that comes out of Redmond. MS "embraced" open source silently kicking and screaming as Google and Facebook set about building the future. Their biggest frustration these days is that it's not so easy to extend what they embrace but it won't stop them trying.
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