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Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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I agree he's way ahead of the game; being an engineer at Google would be a step back unless: 1. He gets placed as a staff engineer or director. 2. He gets a new shiny project that for some reason he has reasonable autonomy over. Otherwise he'll get tired of the big-company politics. I can't imagine why a self-starter like this would want a set of bosses. He's already at the next level, building his own companies (lik…

Interesting how you consider "building his own companies" to be the next level. Maybe indeed this is a commonly held HN view. I've always thought doing a start-up (or working for a medium sized company) is what you do early on, in order to gain the skills needed and prep for the end goal: Working for one of the top prestigious companies. Look at all the start-ups that are evidently founded for the sole purpose of bei…

No, it's definitely the other way around: people gain experience working for big firms, then use their domain expertise to start their own businesses. Software is no different.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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That his post is on a website called freecodecamp.com and he is promoting his googleyasheck.com website, yet hasn't actually interviewed at Google yet, does strongly suggest he is looking to build a training service. If he doesn't get hired at Google, he can pivot and say he can "make a bigger impact helping other people learn" with his training service. Here is another promotional post from two months ago: https://s…

I'm not sure I understand the plan: 1) If he's not hired, how is he going to sell his service? People will say "He couldn't even get himself hired!" 2) If he is hired and does a side job of teaching others for Google Interview, that's a gigantic conflict of interest (and probably a breach of NDA). He will be fired. Is he planning to get hired, quit on the spot, and then start his tutoring service? (Well, stranger thi…

If he is hired, doesn't Google make you sign a contract that says all your work is now owned by Google?

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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I agree he's way ahead of the game; being an engineer at Google would be a step back unless: 1. He gets placed as a staff engineer or director. 2. He gets a new shiny project that for some reason he has reasonable autonomy over. Otherwise he'll get tired of the big-company politics. I can't imagine why a self-starter like this would want a set of bosses. He's already at the next level, building his own companies (lik…

Interesting how you consider "building his own companies" to be the next level. Maybe indeed this is a commonly held HN view. I've always thought doing a start-up (or working for a medium sized company) is what you do early on, in order to gain the skills needed and prep for the end goal: Working for one of the top prestigious companies. Look at all the start-ups that are evidently founded for the sole purpose of bei…

Thanks for bringing up this perspective.

What you're describing is a good career path for a self-taught programmer without the necessary network/luck to get into a Fancy Software Company.

Building one's own company to the point where it sustains you is two levels above that.

Here is my model to fit your perspective:

    Self-taught programmer/moderately-ranked state school ->
    Junior developer at unknown startup ->
    Intermediate/senior developer at that startup or another one ->
    Software Dev at Fancy Company ->
    Start company with colleagues OR high-paid, remote consulting gigs

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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The very fact that "preparing for 8 months for a Google interview" is a thing highlights all the things that have gone wrong at Google and their widely panned bad recruitment practices. The process has become about recruiting people that are good at the silly process and not about recruiting the best people. Probably OK if Google is in 'megacorp looking to feed more skillled cogs into the machine' mode (which it most…

He studied C++, Unix, algorithms, data structures, and system design. Is learning that stuff a "silly process"?

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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The median employee tenure at Google is only 1.1 years, so clearly lots of people are leaving. [0] They are right in line with much-derided Amazon. [0] http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/07/28/turno...

Or it just means they're hiring lots of people.

You seriously think they doubled or more their engineering team in the last year?

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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Interesting how you consider "building his own companies" to be the next level. Maybe indeed this is a commonly held HN view. I've always thought doing a start-up (or working for a medium sized company) is what you do early on, in order to gain the skills needed and prep for the end goal: Working for one of the top prestigious companies. Look at all the start-ups that are evidently founded for the sole purpose of bei…

No, it's definitely the other way around: people gain experience working for big firms, then use their domain expertise to start their own businesses. Software is no different.

And then they end up hiring domain experts because they're busy running a business.

I think it very much depends on what you actually want to be doing.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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The median employee tenure at Google is only 1.1 years, so clearly lots of people are leaving. [0] They are right in line with much-derided Amazon. [0] http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/07/28/turno...

Median employee tenure is almost entirely dominated by things other than employees leaving. A company that is not hiring will not have any new employees and as a result have a really high median tenure. The question you really want to ask is: what's the percentage of people leaving each year?

~40% which is a really bad sign.

PS: Median tenure of 1.1 years + company sizes this and last year gives you a good estimate of turnover.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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post #86

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The median employee tenure at Google is only 1.1 years, so clearly lots of people are leaving. [0] They are right in line with much-derided Amazon. [0] http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/07/28/turno...

Median employee tenure is almost entirely dominated by things other than employees leaving. A company that is not hiring will not have any new employees and as a result have a really high median tenure. The question you really want to ask is: what's the percentage of people leaving each year?

That's also heavily impacted by hiring patterns, though: a company that just hired a lot of people is going to have fewer people leaving (proportionately) after that, since people probably get more likely to leave the longer they've been at the company (though perhaps this is a wrong assumption -- would be interesting to see some data).

You can look at cohorts: of all the people who joined Google in 2013 (eg), what percentage left within one year, what percentage within two years, etc.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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(Disclaimer: not a Googler) Like it or not, Google is consistently ranked near the top or #1 on all of those "Best places to work" lists that get published from time to time. Everyone I know who has managed to get hired there sings its praises, and none of them have left (yet). I think it's unlikely that each one of their opinions is fueled by Kool-aid. There's something to it. I don't think this guy is sad at all. I…

The median employee tenure at Google is only 1.1 years, so clearly lots of people are leaving. [0] They are right in line with much-derided Amazon. [0] http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/07/28/turno...

as an ex-Amzn (but goog exp from friends only so possibly hearsay) I can definitely say the reasons to leave amazon & google are very different. one is push other is pull :-)
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