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Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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From a reverse perspective, I am new to professional development but have been a long-time programmer. At the age of 45 I decided to pursue my life-long dream of being a programmer and went back to school. There was another "oldster" in my Intro to Java class. He really struggled at first because he had spent the last few decades using technology but not really understanding it. Me, on the other hand, I utterly destroyed everyone in the class. My final project was a "Dwarf Fortress" style game that utilized more advanced programming techniques, algorithms, data structures, AI etc. that was far outside the scope of the class. Not only was the class blown away but the teacher appeared threatened. I had never had programmed in Java before though I have programmed as a hobby throughout my life. But the major difference between me and the other oldster as well as me and my much younger classmates is that I have devoted my life to learn. I've never settled. I've never grown complacent. If I forget something I relearn it. If I don't know something I know where to find an answer. I believe that this is the problem with many oldsters...they get comfortable, set in their ways, entitled.

I quit school that semester as it was clear that I would be far more effective learning on my own. What was true in my Java class turned out to be true in my Linux class, my networking class and my generals. I was WAY ahead of the curve. I now work in the industry as a full-stack Javascript developer and continue to learn each day.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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I look at the skillset between when I was 25 and now (30) and it's astounding. I can't imagine what the difference between 50 and 25 will be. If you're hiring 40-60 year olds you cannot simply hire a 25 year old and get an "acceptable tradeoff of competency" unless you didn't need anything close to that competency in the first place. Also if you're 50 and are relying on a new job's retirement program you're probably…

I'm 63 with a BS in Chemistry and MS in Environmental Systems Engineer. I was a student teacher of microbiology when I was in graduate school. I started coding fortran in HS about 1969 or 1970. > I'm pretty knowledgeable about paid search and social but I don't think my Political Science degree has anything to do with that. To imply that someone's age precludes them from understanding paid search, mobile advertising,…

Sorry, you run 154+ sites?

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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> age != experience != skill Or, as a former boss of mine put it: "He has one year of experience ten times."

> "He has one year of experience ten times." Never understood this thing. One learns the most when he changes company and learnt about a new industry, with new problems, new tech, new people.

I've always understood that saying to mean "someone who learned everything they know in the first year, and coasted for the remaining nine," or something to that effect. Someone who never progresses.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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> age != experience != skill Or, as a former boss of mine put it: "He has one year of experience ten times."

> "He has one year of experience ten times." Never understood this thing. One learns the most when he changes company and learnt about a new industry, with new problems, new tech, new people.

I think this saying is generally applied more to people who stayed in the same industry (or even the same company) for ten years, yet still has the equivalent of one year's worth of experience (basically they just stopped learning after a while). Hiring someone like this doesn't get you anything that hiring someone with nine years less "experience" gets you, but that other person is more likely to keep learning things, and get more valuable over time.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#105
It is possibly the wrong framing. It might be better to do something like this with the framing on "a veteran of the industry" or "someone with experience." Being old per se does not necessarily make you one with more relevant work experience.

Just my 2 cents.

Best of luck.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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If you take a survey of hiring managers they will point to three primary reasons that candidates 40 - 60 have a harder time finding jobs: 1) They are typically more expensive than "market" for the same role a younger person can fulfill at acceptable tradeoff of competency - higher salaries, higher related costs like healthcare for a family, expectations around retirement programs, etc. 2) They are less flexible - the…

> unwilling to run the same 60 hour gauntlet that a 25 year old _can_ etc. Older people _can_ run 60 hour gauntlets. We're just wise enough to know that it leads to no good outcome.

That wisdom makes you of negative business value to your manager, since he still believes 60-hour gauntlets are an intrinsic part of being on time and under budget.

Hence, you won't get hired.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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It's a weird experience if you're a clever youngster. I liken it to speed vs torque. I have to rely on being fast and being able to scan a problem as fast as I can to understand it. But an older engineer will just know the lay of the land. I had this happen a lot with an older electrical engineer. He seemed slow and I looked to run circles around everyone, but he could point to things as a root cause before I even un…

This is fundamentally true and basically is a great anecdotal argument for why we have the concept of a PE. Edit: Context is America and also obviously this isn't a thing in software but is very much the normal way of doing business in classical engineering.

What is a PE?

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

#109

You are only as old as you believe you are. I'm 42 and won't trade spot with any 20-something for a job. The knowledge and experience I have today, most 20-something would love to have but.. they have to live some 20 years to now gain. WTG putting this message together, good luck!

> You are only as old as you believe you are.

Well, I'm 42 and I believe I'm 20... until I spend any time hanging around 20 year olds.

Re: Show HN: Hire an Oldster

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I was recently working with an older developer. I don't know, maybe of 65 or 70 years. He was working on aerospace network intrusion detection systems, and I was helping him set up a simulation system. He was slinging around low-level computer architecture terminology, while I was quickly trying to access what I remembered from a college class 15 years prior, just to keep up with the conversation. Older programmers a…

My father is still a practicing mechanical engineer in his 70s. The 20-something engineers use words like "awesome" to describe him. Of course it helps that his brilliance is God-tier, even without the decades of experience, but still.
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