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Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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This guy is sad. All those people on Quora who ask unending questions about Google are sad. They're suckers. They've eaten up Google's marketing. You want to know the reality? Whatever's special about Google is long gone. Management let the smoke out a long time ago. Nowadays, Google is just another big software company, with all the opaque politics, purposelessness, and random nonsense that comes with being a big co…

Sad really? Read the whole article...he even mentioned that by studying hard and setting him self to aim high...even if he does not get into google...he will be so good that he can get hired anywhere else....that is anything but sad

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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You'd be surprised! I've interviewed many "veterans" (and worked with a few!) who just don't have the chops. In the world of web development, the developer who knows just enough to skate by without a proper understanding of algorithms and design patterns seems to be the rule rather than the exception. Kudos to him for acknowledging it and trying to do something about it.

I predict downvotes for my reply here, but I'm genuinely asking a question. You're not wrong that some developers will simply skate by, but is the developer wrong to simply skate by? Specially as a web developer, I think too many people think that the barrier of entry is high, and it really isn't. The majority of technology I know how to work with I have picked up out of necessity to make something work (or work bett…

>"You're not wrong that some developers will simply skate by, but is the developer wrong to simply skate by?"

It's a life choice, neither right or wrong. However, if a person is no more skilled than the lowest common denominator, that person is effectively an easily replaceable commodity and commodities, as a rule, do not command a high price. The rise of coding bootcamps should really be a worrying sign to those who are just skating by.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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(Disclaimer: not a Googler) Like it or not, Google is consistently ranked near the top or #1 on all of those "Best places to work" lists that get published from time to time. Everyone I know who has managed to get hired there sings its praises, and none of them have left (yet). I think it's unlikely that each one of their opinions is fueled by Kool-aid. There's something to it. I don't think this guy is sad at all. I…

The median employee tenure at Google is only 1.1 years, so clearly lots of people are leaving. [0] They are right in line with much-derided Amazon. [0] http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/07/28/turno...

Or it just means they're hiring lots of people.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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Great write-up, thank you to the OP for putting this on the web! I have a few thoughts on it. First, I'm not all that surprised someone would study for 8 months for an interview at Google. I interviewed there (no hire) and gave myself 3 weeks. It wasn't close to enough time, and I've taken a lot of formal math and basic CS plus data structures. Just too rusty, especially at a whiteboard. I could easily have spent 3 m…

I agree completely, thank you for this great post. The idea that these big company interviews are "exams" rather than interviews is something I've never considered, but it makes complete sense. The Google (or other prestigious tech company) Interview is our profession's Bar Exam.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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The thing about constantly learning new things is that after about 10 years you start to forget the old things. The new stuff kind of overwrites the old stuff after a while.

What I find annoying about technical interviews is that they force me to review useless, basic stuff that I learned 10 years ago instead of asking me about all the cutting edge (and much more interesting/difficult) stuff that I have learned more recently.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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This guy is sad. All those people on Quora who ask unending questions about Google are sad. They're suckers. They've eaten up Google's marketing. You want to know the reality? Whatever's special about Google is long gone. Management let the smoke out a long time ago. Nowadays, Google is just another big software company, with all the opaque politics, purposelessness, and random nonsense that comes with being a big co…

(Disclaimer: not a Googler) Like it or not, Google is consistently ranked near the top or #1 on all of those "Best places to work" lists that get published from time to time. Everyone I know who has managed to get hired there sings its praises, and none of them have left (yet). I think it's unlikely that each one of their opinions is fueled by Kool-aid. There's something to it. I don't think this guy is sad at all. I…

I'd say most of the people who drank the koolaid before even working there self-selected to be at Google because they hadn't tried a job anywhere else in the Bay Area (specifically SF).

What makes Google better than, say, Dropbox? Github? Facebook? Etc?

Disclaimer: former Googler. Currently FB.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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> I’ve spent thousands of hours reading books, writing code, and watching computer science lectures, all to prepare for the Google software engineer interview. Shouldn't you just be doing this anyway if you want to be a good computer scientist? That's how you learn. You constantly take in new information and attempt to apply it and Computer Science is one of the most enabling fields of this form of learning since 1)…

I agree he's way ahead of the game; being an engineer at Google would be a step back unless: 1. He gets placed as a staff engineer or director. 2. He gets a new shiny project that for some reason he has reasonable autonomy over. Otherwise he'll get tired of the big-company politics. I can't imagine why a self-starter like this would want a set of bosses. He's already at the next level, building his own companies (lik…

Interesting how you consider "building his own companies" to be the next level. Maybe indeed this is a commonly held HN view. I've always thought doing a start-up (or working for a medium sized company) is what you do early on, in order to gain the skills needed and prep for the end goal: Working for one of the top prestigious companies. Look at all the start-ups that are evidently founded for the sole purpose of being acquired by one of the Big Boys.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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This makes me wonder...

The idea of studying for the sake of making it a certain company, for some reason, turns me off. Never had the personality to do things only because a parent/teacher/company wanted me to do it.

But, if there was something more fundamental to study for, like a certificate, or a project, or a competition (something more advanced than a hackaton), that'd actually be really interesting. The relative success or failure with it could, then, provide feedback. I guess Project Euler is kind of close, but it's a bit too much of a one-person affair, and only the right answer matters. In other areas, there are often communities where more experienced people help out the less experienced while collectively getting better, and there are tangible goals at every step. Video games come to mind.

Unfortunately, all I've seen is always around data structures, small scripts and hacks, time-gated, overly simple, and promote what I would call bad code or shallow understanding. It makes you good at the events in question, and you can get some certificate, but whether or not it's actually making you a better developer is suspect and the correlation is often backwards, if anything.

So the only solid goal a lot of people see is getting hired by X company, and, by extension, getting better at interviews. Because that's something you can measure and get good feedback from and it's a lot simpler than trying to figure out what being a good software developer means.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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The thing about constantly learning new things is that after about 10 years you start to forget the old things. The new stuff kind of overwrites the old stuff after a while. What I find annoying about technical interviews is that they force me to review useless, basic stuff that I learned 10 years ago instead of asking me about all the cutting edge (and much more interesting/difficult) stuff that I have learned more…

If you're forgetting it after 10 years, then maybe it's not important. And the alternative shouldn't be the new stuff, because we don't know if that's important yet. It should be the old stuff that people don't forget.

Re: Why I Studied Full-Time for 8 Months for a Google Interview

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It fascinates me the extent to which he regrets not getting a Computer Science degree, and says it impacts how hireable he is. Obviously, data point of one here, but I don't have one and it hasn't come up once in my career. You may not see web development and software engineering as different positions. Both involve programming and craftsmanship, but software engineering adds to it knowledge of data structures and al…

> It fascinates me the extent to which he regrets not getting a Computer Science degree, and says it impacts how hireable he is. Obviously, data point of one here, but I don't have one and it hasn't come up once in my career. Same here, except for when I interviewed at Google. :) I was interviewing for a frontend position, and I got through the interviews ok and was passed along to a few departments. Payments was int…

Google HR seems generally terrible at keeping things straight since they're such a massive company.

I had a recruiter call me up "hey just wanted to follow up, I see you interviewed with us 6 months ago and did great, wanted to know more about why you aren't working here and if you might be more interested now" and had to tell him "well, I didn't ever get an offer, so that would have something to do with it..."

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