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GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by awhildy »

munchor wrote: post #93
Fiahil wrote: post #77

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I believe gitlab's UI has gotten better lastly. Nevertheless, if 99% of the value provided by github comes from their interface, should we remember how much time they needed to implement the "+1" counters on messages?

Their UI/UX is still nowhere comparable to GitHub's. GitHub is so much simpler to use that GitLab and everyone I talk to seems to have the same opinion. GitLab is still lagging far behind when it comes to user experience, it's just not easy to find stuff.

Thanks for the feedback! At GitLab, we know that it can be challenging to find things, and it is something that we are working on improving. For example, we are improving our issue search, giving you much more powerful search capabilities (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/21747). However, I know there is more we can do. Please let us know, create an issue (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/new), or comment on this issue (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/25752) if you have specific examples of problems or ideas on how we can improve making it easy to find things, or simplify our overall experience.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by awhildy »

fbnlsr wrote: post #115
drspacemonkey wrote: post #97

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Agreed. Gitlab's interface is better. Especially the issue board. Throw in their fully-integrated CI platform and container registry basically makes Gitlab a winner.

I'm using both Gitlab and Github for different projects, and I just can't stand Gitlab's interface. Informations are scattered all around the place and there's no distinctive way of finding the information you want. Plus it's slow as hell. Github's UI makes sense. I can find anything in the blink of an eye and it's blazing fast. The team I'm currently working with is completely fed up with Gitlab.

We would love to learn what we can do to continue to improve the GitLab experience. Is there a specific type of information you are having a hard time finding? Or is it about the overall information hierarchy? Feel free to make an issue if that is easier (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/new) or comment on this issue we are using to learn from this thread (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/25752). Thanks for the feedback!

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by crucini »

niftich wrote: post #26
sergiotapia wrote: post #14

>The new digs gave employees a reason to come into the office. Visitors would enter a lobby modeled after the White House’s Oval Office before making their way to a replica of the Situation Room. The company also erected a statue of its mascot, a cartoon octopus-cat creature known as the Octocat. The 55,000-square-foot space is filled with wooden tables and modern art. The Sillicon Valley episodes write themselves it…

I'm hesitant to call this, and their hotel retreats and jet-setting travel 'opulence' out of a sense of decency, but... I guess I'm just a lot more frugal, and mostly isolated from this culture.

Back in the dotcom boom, I think Philip Greenspun leased a Ferrari and lent it to employees in rotation. That looked insanely wasteful (since most people thought the company owned it) but was probably way cheaper than this stuff - and more awesome too.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by robinhood »

throwanem wrote: post #175
connorshea wrote: post #160

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Are you using GitLab.com or hosting it yourself? We're working on improving GitLab.com, but self-hosting GitLab should be pretty fast in most circumstances. As for the interface, we're working on improving the design of the product and have just hired a UX Researcher to help with that. Would be happy to hear any specifics you have to offer.

Searching an issue number in the list page's text input should take me to the issue. Sounds small but it's a frequent irritation; I will be 200% happier with Gitlab once it's solved, and my teammates even more so.

Hi throwanem. This is an excellent idea. I've created an issue about it in GitLab's issue tracker so we can move forward with it: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/25771

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by awhildy »

speg wrote: post #36
enraged_camel wrote: post #15

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I have never used GitLab, but I keep hearing lots of positive things. Is there anything they don't do as well or better than Github?

Although it's made a lot of progress the past few version the design/UX of Gitlab is a bit lacking.

We are working really hard on improving the design and UX of GitLab. We'd love to learn what we can do to make the experience better for you. Please let us know if you have any specific suggestions or problems that we can tackle. Feel free to comment on this issue (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/25752) create an issue if that is easier (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/new). Thanks!

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by cheald »

Shorel wrote: post #317

Everyone is comparing GitHub with GitLab in the comments, but they are ignoring the other competitor. I think Atlassian is the company that makes the most out of the git marketplace, even if they have fewer customers. They are simply more efficient, and are ready to take over with Bitbucket if GitHub fails. Also, many companies pay for Jira+Confluence even if they use GitHub.

I used Bitbucket for a long time before Gitlab (mostly because they had hg support when I needed it), and IMO, Gitlab is honestly a better product, UI-wise. At the end of they day, they all get the job, done, though.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by awhildy »

Insanity wrote: post #51
enraged_camel wrote: post #15

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I have never used GitLab, but I keep hearing lots of positive things. Is there anything they don't do as well or better than Github?

UI. For UI, I would take github over gitlab any day.

Are there specific UI improvements we can make to improve your experience of GitLab? Thanks for the feedback!

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by StRoy »

zimpenfish wrote: post #490
nerdponx wrote: post #326

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Keep in mind that also have a superior product to just about every image host that came before them (other than Flickr), they are the de-facto favored image host for Reddit, and to top it off have their own social networking features with non-trivial market adoption. With that many eyeballs on your site it's no surprise that even their subtle advertising style [1] is profitable. I'd personally much rather see sponsor…

> they are the de-facto favored image host for Reddit Not any more - https://techcrunch.com/2016/05/25/reddit-image-uploads/

> Not any more

Actually that is still the case. He said "de facto" not "official". Imgur still represents the majority of image links on most subreddits.

https://www.reddit.com/domain/i.imgur.com/

r/all shows more imgur links than i.reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/all/

Your article dates from half a year ago and they still couldn't snuff imgur out with built-in upload facilities, suffice to say, as far as the users are concerned, imgur is the defacto beloved service. People on twitter are more likely to use twitter's img upload than redditors are to use their own.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by camgunz »

flukus wrote: post #441
jolux wrote: post #438

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Professional bully? She's a Ruby developer, and a damned good one at that by all accounts. Even if you choose to categorize her as a "bully," it's very evident that "bullying" is a hobby of hers and not related to how well she does her job (programming). If her contributions to community management software are valuable, what does it matter her politics? I reiterate that if you are looking for a place to host your co…

> If her contributions to community management software are valuable, what does it matter her politics? Because she has chased away other good developers by bullying them and is now in a position of authority. > I reiterate that if you are looking for a place to host your code where a) nobody has political opinions or b) everybody agrees with you about everything, you will never find it. What? We had exactly that for…

When you argue for the "absence of politics", you're actually arguing for the "default politics we've had for generations", which is heteronormative, euro-centric, etc. The "absence of politics" leads to widespread usage of anti-LGBT, anti-women, and anti-minority slurs and policies that disadvantage those groups by not recognizing their institutional disadvantage.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Post by jolux »

flukus wrote: post #443
jolux wrote: post #434

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So you disagree with their internal politics? So what? As meh said in the Opal thread, you can absolutely use a tool made by people whose politics you disagree with. Why are you assuming that GitHub will discriminate against you for your politics? I fully support your choice and in fact I think it's justified, but if you really didn't care about politics, you would keep using GitHub until they kick you off of it for…

> but if you really didn't care about politics, you would keep using GitHub until they kick you off of it for thoughtcrime I do care about politics, but it is irrelevant to my projects. The time to care about losing access to your source code is before you lose access to it (like backups). Github has shown that there is a signifact risk to hosting my code there so I'm moving off it. > It honestly just seems that you…

>Just like I don't care about the politics of any other service I use, as long as it doesn't interfere with my using it.

So I'll ask again. How, concretely, do Coraline's politics interfere with your current usage of GitHub?

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