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GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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"Minorities" is a diverse group of people by itself. Github already employs tons of white guys, so focusing future recruitment on women/minorities is perfectly sensible. The diversity professionals at Github aren't the ones confused about what is and what isn't racist. Even if github did discriminate against white guys (they don't; it's still a company owned and directed by white men) that wouldn't be a societal prob…

> "Minorities" is a diverse group of people by itself. So would be "everyone except Asians" but that would be considered racist. But "everyone except white people" is clearly not racist because you can't be prejudiced against someone who happens to be white. /s > here are thousands of companies out there where people of color and women face harsh discrimination, so counterbalancing that with companies that favor them…

Yes, "no Asians" as a hiring policy is absolutely racist. It is of course possible to be prejudiced against white people (and that's bad) but on a societal level white people don't suffer from prejudice so there can be no comparison to the racism people of color face.

> Why is the solution not more accountability? More policies in place to make complaints about discrimination more vocal?

That also needs to be part of the solution. Racism is such a pernicious problem that it can only be tackled with an "all of the above" strategy. You also have to realize that any empowerment of women and people of color necessarily comes at the expense of white men, because societal influence is a strictly zero sum game. There is no difference between saying "more minorities in the senate" and "fewer white men in the senate". This is discrimination against white men in the technical sense, but this isn't a situation where everybody can gain at nobody's expense. If minorities are to be represented in politics and in business then white men will have to step aside to make room.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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> the maintainers also agree that somebody's personal beliefs are not relevant to whether their contributions are acceptable. So, why should it matter that they hired Coraline, exactly? I think you argued the wrong way. The maintainer states it's skill not political views that give merit. If github hired Coraline for her political views, then github stated it's political views not skills that give merit. > Either the…

I thought it was accepted wisdom at this point that software is people. Caring about people doesn't strike me as incompatible with caring about software --- indeed, for projects which demand collaboration between individuals (i.e. non-trivial complexity), I'd think it would be essential.

It's not a radical departure at all. It's right there in the Agile Manifesto, for chrissakes.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Isn't the migration easier because it's just a git repo? I'm curious how GitHub's software platform specifically facilitates easy migration.

The git repo itself is trivial to migrate (you already have a full copy, just push it somewhere else). The problems are issues, code comments, pull request discussions, etc, which may be harder, and their API helps here.

The API certainly helps. Our GitLab can import all the things you mention. https://docs.gitlab.com/ce/workflow/importing/import_project...

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Well, I find both Bitbucket and Gitlab to be superior to GitHub in the UI department. I haven't even been able to find a graphical tree log of branches and commits on GitHub. ("network" on Gitlab, "commits" on Bitbucket). They also both offer unlimited private repositories (albeit bitbucket has a limit on the number of users granted access, but very cheap pricing if you need to bump the user limit.). GitHub only rece…

I had the same issue with finding the tree log, it's under graphs and called network. https://github.com/altmany/export_fig/network

That one looks more like an overview of forks between account. Which is nice for open source projects probably, but isn't very helpful or informative for single-repo-multiple-branches. For example, no commit messages are shown by default.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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You can't really compare Github to Gitlab, when the former has a fifth the features of the latter.

Wait did you write that correctly - GitHub has less functionality/features than GitLab?

For example GitLab comes with complete CI and CD functionality https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-ci/

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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I didn't follow when github started getting political. What happened?

Opalgate: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 TLDR: Some possibly transphobic person said something on the internet that got traced back to his github account. Some person not connected to the project complains and get's transphobic person removed from github. Github hires complainer to "improve diversity". That and a couple of other things like their code of conduct have indicated that github wants to be the PC…

There was also the WebMConverter "retard" flap: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118

That was the thing that got me to delete my private repos and stop paying Github for its services - that day, they stopped being a neutral platform and became an opinionated service provider, and while I don't tend to do anything that would run afoul of their policies, I am exceptionally uncomfortable with the prospect of a platform provider exercising editorial control over others' code. I still use it for open source stuff, but I moved all my private stuff to Gitlab and have been exceptionally happy with the choice to do so.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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That's not as big an issue when there are network effects -- look at Craigslist. Plus, what killer feature is bitbucket going to add at this point to make everyone want to switch? They're practically the same product. All the major innovation happened years ago.

Clickable code view would be nice, e.g: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v4.9/kernel/async.c

Thanks for the idea. This would be awesome indeed. I've created an issue on GitLab for this: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/25762

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Are you using GitLab.com or hosting it yourself? We're working on improving GitLab.com, but self-hosting GitLab should be pretty fast in most circumstances. As for the interface, we're working on improving the design of the product and have just hired a UX Researcher to help with that. Would be happy to hear any specifics you have to offer.

I can't speak for other browsers, but keeping a GitLab tab open in a background tab consistently causes my CPU dedicate 15-25% of its cycles to Firefox. I do file bugs against GitLab every now and then, but I haven't done so for this one because I assume that there's an existing item on file for this (and I don't care to look for it) and that this is all part of the the longstanding, "Yeah, we really need to work on…

Mmm, I found https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/521 but that was a Firefox bug. It is probably something in GitLab but I'm not sure someone filed a bug report for it. We have complete UX and frontend teams and at this moment all the views should work great, also on mobile. GitLab self-hosted should be fast but we're working on the speed of GitLab.com.

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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GitLab has a migration feature that "just works". Was painless here

what does it include? issues, wiki, comments?

the repository description (GitLab 7.7+)

the Git repository data (GitLab 7.7+)

the issues (GitLab 7.7+)

the pull requests (GitLab 8.4+)

the wiki pages (GitLab 8.4+)

the milestones (GitLab 8.7+)

the labels (GitLab 8.7+)

the release note descriptions (GitLab 8.12+)

the references to pull requests and issues are preserved (GitLab 8.7+)

https://docs.gitlab.com/ce/workflow/importing/import_project...

Re: GitHub lost $66M in nine months of 2016

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Whoa. I didn't know about that either. I'm not going to comment on the content or arguments because, pretty much whatever one says, is going to result in a flamewar. What I do find unsettling is the fallout, including GitHub's behaviour. I like GitHub as a product, and I use it all the time, but it seems at least moderately prudent to migrate repositories to Gitlab (or somewhere else) and keep them up to date, if onl…

> psychopathy isn't so much a disorder as a spectrum on which we all sit I think you're getting a bit off in terms of perspective here. There's a huge difference between [words on a page] and [Human being I'm talking to]. I might well say something that makes someone on the internet cry, I might laugh and post pubbietears.jpg if they said my comment had made them cry. If I saw someone crying in close proximity it's l…

Oh, for sure, but I think it has an influence on our behaviour in the "real" world, and not a positive one. It's anecdotal, but several personal friends are friends with each other no longer in the wake of the Brexit vote. Actions in the virtual world have consequences in the physical world.

(And, sorry, my wry sense of humour doesn't necessarily work in plain text and I should make more effort to remember that. To me the spectrum idea is interesting, but it's just an idea.)

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