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I don't understand what the US has to do with this pledge. The people signing it don't need legal defense against their employers. Leaving their jobs is the point.
Are you trying to affect change or just have out of work techs? I can point to a long history of groups entering politics affecting change, can you do the same with a pledge to quit?
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Then hold them to it when something happens. Personally, I think the people who have publicly signed this, putting them a Google search away from any future employer learning about this, probably thought about it more carefully than you did. In talking to people about this pledge --- particularly people resistant to the pledge (I have conservative friends), the most notable thing I've learned is that people do this a…
Don't get me wrong, I find the pledge to be a noble gesture, and it's good to see individual tech employees finally publicly take a stance on ethical issues. But have ethical issues ever hurt a company's candidate flow? I can't think of a single company so tainted by some ethical thing that they can't find engineers willing to hold their nose and work for them. Have you ever been asked on an interview how you handled…
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That may be distasteful but there is a wide, wide gap between letting advertisers target ads to groups based on ethnicity, and sending datasets of people with a certain ethnicity/religion to advertisers or to the government. The pledge is mostly focused on the latter.
As if governments would take no as a answer. If the data is there it's accessible.
People can refuse and the government can choose to try to send executives to jail, or issue fines, but that comes with bad PR and companies can and do fight those as well.
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Don't get me wrong, I find the pledge to be a noble gesture, and it's good to see individual tech employees finally publicly take a stance on ethical issues. But have ethical issues ever hurt a company's candidate flow? I can't think of a single company so tainted by some ethical thing that they can't find engineers willing to hold their nose and work for them. Have you ever been asked on an interview how you handled…
How many people do you think would need to sign this for it to have a material impact on recruiting and retention for big companies? Let's not be fuzzy about it. Let's see what the goal needs to be, and then talk about how reachable it is.
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How many people do you think would need to sign this for it to have a material impact on recruiting and retention for big companies? Let's not be fuzzy about it. Let's see what the goal needs to be, and then talk about how reachable it is.
That would require a high degree of speculation, since I can't think of any example in history in any industry where "employees not willing to work for a company" managed to have a material impact on that company. I think this is uncharted territory.
Hey. I'm getting some mileage out of this on Twitter and you're getting a little jumped on, but: if you're not joking, this is good news. It's kind of great news.
It means all you have to do is learn a bit about the labor movement to see a whole new dimension of possibilities for intervening against a system we're widely concerned about.
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How many people do you think would need to sign this for it to have a material impact on recruiting and retention for big companies? Let's not be fuzzy about it. Let's see what the goal needs to be, and then talk about how reachable it is.
That would require a high degree of speculation, since I can't think of any example in history in any industry where "employees not willing to work for a company" managed to have a material impact on that company. I think this is uncharted territory.
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How many people do you think would need to sign this for it to have a material impact on recruiting and retention for big companies? Let's not be fuzzy about it. Let's see what the goal needs to be, and then talk about how reachable it is.
That would require a high degree of speculation, since I can't think of any example in history in any industry where "employees not willing to work for a company" managed to have a material impact on that company. I think this is uncharted territory.
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#278What about a database of people from countries with high propensity for radicalization, for example Tunisia, or Somalia? Paradox: Tunisia is perhaps the most progressive of all the M/E Muslim countries, and yet they are the #1 M/E country in terms of Jihadis. They are overwhelmingly the greatest per/capita Jihadi producers in the world. By far. Tunisia is very small. Networks are very small. 95% chance that a young m…
What about another for states and counties? Where was Dylann Roof radicalized?
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That would require a high degree of speculation, since I can't think of any example in history in any industry where "employees not willing to work for a company" managed to have a material impact on that company. I think this is uncharted territory.
This is a joke about HN, right? Hey. I'm getting some mileage out of this on Twitter and you're getting a little jumped on, but: if you're not joking, this is good news. It's kind of great news. It means all you have to do is learn a bit about the labor movement to see a whole new dimension of possibilities for intervening against a system we're widely concerned about.
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Indeed, not to mention Richard's penchant for organized crime.
Unfortunately, cause this is the internet, I cant tell if your joking. If not, source?