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German research institutions boycott Elsevier

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Re: German research institutions boycott Elsevier

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If you're going to use that service, I recommend using the TLS link https://sci-hub.ac

Also, the .ac domain has the expected owner.

Lately, sci-hub has been sending me straight to the paywall I'm trying to avoid. I think the lawyers got to them.

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German researcher here. There are multiple problems with the offer from VG Wort (which is the German association "representing" authors and publishers). One is that they raised the license fee. Another one is that they want to replace the current "flatrate" (where a university pays a fixed sum for the right to copy books or parts of books for education) with a individual billing concept. That means, lecturers have to…

Yes, but isn't the VG-Wort §52a UrhG thing a different issue? It's creating a whole lot of uncertainty right now, no doubt about that, but the article is about universities failing to reach an agreement with Elsevier. What you're talking about is a terrible new deal between VG Wort and the Kultusministerkonferenz about licensing for publication of any kind of protected material for education and research.

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The thing is, scientists have a much more powerful tool to stop bad publishers: Don't give them your texts. And maybe even more important: Don't demand from your applicants that they have published in high impact journals from the very same publishers that make your life hard. That might really change things. Everyone has been complaining about Elsevier for years now. They still have publications and they still seem…

I would love a world where publishing papers is cheap and reading papers, particularly taxpayer-funded ones, is free. However, I'd also like a job and none of the "top tier" biomedical journals are open access. While I'd like to think that the quality of my work would speak for itself, the imprimatur that one gets from Nature , Science , Cell , and Neuron is worth quite a bit when applying for jobs and grants. Unless…

This is a great point. We need to provide researchers with options that don't kill their career prospects. One idea, which we're working on at Authorea (authorea.com) is to help researchers write their documents online so they can be easily published as preprints. This way open access can be achieved in a manner that goes beyond a PDF or Word doc, and researchers can still play the game so long as it exists.

Some more info here: https://www.authorea.com/123679/d8cErAb_olPC5CvcWWwsig

Re: German research institutions boycott Elsevier

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By restricting access to the material whose copyright is owned by a journal publisher, this is what Germany is doing, to a degree.

It's the publisher who restricts access by charging a fee and taking a profit, not the university for choosing not to pay it. The author and reviewers gave their work for free. Journals should charge enough to cover costs and be sustainable, and no more.

I'm fine with that characterization, too. I'm just saying that any barrier to access will shift the degree to which articles get cited away from what they (perhaps) "should" be based on their scientific value.

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German researcher here. There are multiple problems with the offer from VG Wort (which is the German association "representing" authors and publishers). One is that they raised the license fee. Another one is that they want to replace the current "flatrate" (where a university pays a fixed sum for the right to copy books or parts of books for education) with a individual billing concept. That means, lecturers have to…

Yes, but isn't the VG-Wort §52a UrhG thing a different issue? It's creating a whole lot of uncertainty right now, no doubt about that, but the article is about universities failing to reach an agreement with Elsevier. What you're talking about is a terrible new deal between VG Wort and the Kultusministerkonferenz about licensing for publication of any kind of protected material for education and research.

I think you are right. Thanks for correcting me. I thought the Elsevier thing was part of the deal with VG Wort as most mails which are currently going around in my university seem to combine both issues.

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If you find an OA journal with cachet matching Nature or Science , I would be happy to submit stuff there. As far as I know, there's nothing even particularly close. In other words, I doubt anyone is explicitly penalized for submitting to PLoS Biology instead of Journal of Neuroscience. However, there is an implicit penalty for not submitting to Nature/Science/Cell. [As an aside, I really hate the obsession with IF a…

At least in my country, I'm thankful for these quantitative measurements, that difficult corrupt practices: Oh, I assure you he's a great researcher, just not in any measurable way. He's my nephew you say? Well, that's not the point...

Couldn't you just require people to recuse themselves from hiring decisions involving relatives?

Particularly for early career people, I suspect most of these "quantitative" measurements are basically reflecting where and wtih whom you worked.

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This is really cool. I'm no scientist, but it was Uni Göttingen where I was properly introduced to the world of academia, doing programming for a research group there. This was just 2-3 years ago, and Elsevier was a regular discussion point at the lunch table. I'm glad all the talk has translated in to some real action, and so many have gotten on board.

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The thing is, scientists have a much more powerful tool to stop bad publishers: Don't give them your texts. And maybe even more important: Don't demand from your applicants that they have published in high impact journals from the very same publishers that make your life hard. That might really change things. Everyone has been complaining about Elsevier for years now. They still have publications and they still seem…

Funders are the key to a long overdue change of the academic merit system.

Here is a proposal:

Towards Open Science: The Case for a Decentralized Autonomous Academic Endorsement System

http://dx.doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.60054

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