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News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

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Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

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Post by jessaustin »

morgante wrote: post #26
throwanem wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politifact is one of the organizations on the approved list [1], and the closest thing I can find on that list to an organization anyone not on the left is likely to regard as politically neutral is the Associated Press. So I'm not really seeing what Facebook expects this to help. [1] http://www.poynter.org/fact-checkers-code-of-principles/

Maybe reality doesn't match your opinions.

If one suspected this whole effort will be focused far more on politics than on truthiness (I know... amazing!), you've just confirmed that suspicion. Congratulations, I guess.

Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

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Post by throwanem »

morgante wrote: post #26
throwanem wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politifact is one of the organizations on the approved list [1], and the closest thing I can find on that list to an organization anyone not on the left is likely to regard as politically neutral is the Associated Press. So I'm not really seeing what Facebook expects this to help. [1] http://www.poynter.org/fact-checkers-code-of-principles/

Maybe reality doesn't match your opinions.

Maybe it takes a little more to convince anyone of anything than merely to say "no, you're wrong" over and over and over again. Would that the world were so simple, perhaps. Evidence suggests that it is not.

Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

#44

Post by morgante »

jessaustin wrote: post #41
morgante wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe reality doesn't match your opinions.

If one suspected this whole effort will be focused far more on politics than on truthiness (I know... amazing!), you've just confirmed that suspicion. Congratulations, I guess.

You're the one focused more on politics than truthfulness.

What exactly do you disagree with in this code of principles? [0] Or is the problem that reporting reality accurately undermines your fantasy?

[0] http://www.poynter.org/fact-checkers-code-of-principles/

Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

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Post by morgante »

throwanem wrote: post #43
morgante wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe reality doesn't match your opinions.

Maybe it takes a little more to convince anyone of anything than merely to say "no, you're wrong" over and over and over again. Would that the world were so simple, perhaps. Evidence suggests that it is not.

I agree that saying "you're wrong" isn't an effective rhetorical technique, but trying to argue with alt-right trolls is a waste of effort.

Sites like Snopes and Politifact do the research, with primary sources, to actually validate claims. Since conservatives can't actually invalidate those claims, they've decided to simply claim that any source which disagrees with them is biased.

It's gaslighting.

Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

#46

Post by lhnz »

SamBam wrote: post #33
lhnz wrote: post #6

I wonder if this will be as sketchy as politifact? I hope it won't be, but I reckon it might be. (What I mean is: extremely uncharitable readings of things that they don't like, but overly charitable readings of anything that they like.)

How do you come to the conclusion that politifact is as sketchy as the sites that were churning out fake news during the election?

It's not but it is often very misleading.

I don't think the fake news is actually what won the election anyway. If anything it was Wikileaks' extreme authenticity that won the election, and I'm struggling to understand how this is 'fake'. I'm assuming that they're trying to delegitimise it by association however.

I also find it hard to believe that it was Russia that orchestrated the leaks with zero evidence shown. It's not so easy to trace cyberattacks, and it just seems like officials are looking for a scapegoat for why they didn't win.

There seems to be just as much fake news coming out of the left as from the right, albeit smarter less off-the-wall/gutter stuff.

Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

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Post by tedunangst »

danso wrote: post #34

> We’ve found that a lot of fake news is financially motivated. Spammers make money by masquerading as well-known news organizations, and posting hoaxes that get people to visit to their sites, which are often mostly ads. So we’re doing several things to reduce the financial incentives. On the buying side we’ve eliminated the ability to spoof domains, which will reduce the prevalence of sites that pretend to be real…

https://medium.com/@hunchly/bait-and-switch-the-failure-of-f...

Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

#48

Post by morgante »

eridius wrote: post #27
nostromo wrote: post #8

The timing of this makes it seem politically motivated. I've seen plenty of fake news on my liberal feed. Things like 9/11 conspiracy theories, anti-vaccination stories, stories about the dangers of genetically modified foods, etc.

Fake news was a massive problem this election cycle, and it really highlighted Facebook's large influence and their inability to actually do anything about it. So yes, Facebook dealing with fake news here is a reaction to what happened during the election, but that's not a bad thing. Fake news turns out to be a serious problem and it needs to be fixed, regardless of your political leanings. Edit: Why am I being downv…

> Edit: Why am I being downvoted for this? If you disagree with me, please explain why.

Truth has become a partisan issue. This thread is overrun with alt-right trolls.

Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

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Post by jessaustin »

morgante wrote: post #44
jessaustin wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one suspected this whole effort will be focused far more on politics than on truthiness (I know... amazing!), you've just confirmed that suspicion. Congratulations, I guess.

You're the one focused more on politics than truthfulness. What exactly do you disagree with in this code of principles? [0] Or is the problem that reporting reality accurately undermines your fantasy? [0] http://www.poynter.org/fact-checkers-code-of-principles/

Haha yeah after one post I'm "focused". Meanwhile you have seven posts on this page, none of which obey the Principle of Charity. There's still time to edit!

I see nothing wrong with the document you link.

Re: News Feed FYI: Addressing Hoaxes and Fake News

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Post by sigmar »

danso wrote: post #34

> We’ve found that a lot of fake news is financially motivated. Spammers make money by masquerading as well-known news organizations, and posting hoaxes that get people to visit to their sites, which are often mostly ads. So we’re doing several things to reduce the financial incentives. On the buying side we’ve eliminated the ability to spoof domains, which will reduce the prevalence of sites that pretend to be real…

I saw people share fake articles from that site on facebook. It is a big problem because non-technical people do not know that abcnews.com.co is a subdomain of com.co, not a subdomain of abcnews.com.
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