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My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by Jtsummers »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #33
privong wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He even says as much: Those are my four areas. Under a Clinton administration, my list would have looked much the same. Trump's election just means the threats will be much greater, and the battles a lot harder to win.

See, I might even be tempted to believe that but he presents it like it's a known thing. Why should we fear a Trump administration more? Why should we fear it so much that it's worth changing our personal focus for the next four years? Doesn't that seem reactionary? If we look at the facts, we know that the Bushes and Clintons are friendly and even share a lot of similar views and the same goes for the Obamas and Cli…

Trump has consistently demonstrated his impulsiveness and lack of restraint in communicating his thoughts. To the point that erroneous statements about some companies have sent their stocks downward. He also claimed, without evidence, that a plane crash that had just occurred was by Islamic terrorists. He also called for a boycott of Apple (though his campaign staff still used their devices) because they wouldn't create a backdoor for the San Bernadino shooter's iPhone.

No doubt the Clinton administration would've continued a lot of the same surveillance, but it's unlikely she would've made populist and hyperbolic appeals to the people to turn them into a mob against those like Schneier or companies like Apple who want to protect our privacy (however imperfectly).

EDIT: What's Clinton at a Trump wedding matter? Wealthy and powerful people hobnob with wealthy and powerful people. My girlfriend's father is well-connected in Argentina, he attends events at the US Embassy and with other well-connected people. It implies nothing except that people in that strata network and socialize, which is a large part of maintaining their status.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by idlewords »

karim wrote: post #30
jstewartmobile wrote: post #26

Brother Bruce has been fighting the righteous fight for a long time now, and he has been doing it with minimal ego and loads of class. And here is he is trying to lift the spirits of the anti-Trump privacy folks. What's wrong with that? Where's the love y'all?

I wouldn't read too much into this. People on Hacker News have this pavlovian need to contradict any article they're commenting on. If Schneier was saying the task was too big, you'd have people saying he's giving up too easily.

> People on Hacker News have this pavlovian need to contradict any article they're commenting on.

No they don't.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by tomgp »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #40
idlewords wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to say "why only now..." and say you don't understand the author's mindset for conditioning his concerns on who is in power, then yes, you do have an obilgation to back that up.

Like many, I was surprised and shocked by the election of Donald Trump as president. I believe his ideas, temperament, and inexperience represent a grave threat to our country and world. Suddenly, all the things I had planned to work on seemed trivial in comparison. Although Internet security and privacy are not the most important policy areas at risk, I believe he -- and, more importantly, his cabinet, administratio…

Mate, you're reading a website called Hacker News, I don't think it's unreasonable for others to think you might have an idea who Bruce Schneider is. All blog posts are 'out of context' the context for them is the blog in which they're situated and it's there for you to read.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by idm »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #40
idlewords wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to say "why only now..." and say you don't understand the author's mindset for conditioning his concerns on who is in power, then yes, you do have an obilgation to back that up.

Like many, I was surprised and shocked by the election of Donald Trump as president. I believe his ideas, temperament, and inexperience represent a grave threat to our country and world. Suddenly, all the things I had planned to work on seemed trivial in comparison. Although Internet security and privacy are not the most important policy areas at risk, I believe he -- and, more importantly, his cabinet, administratio…

Aaron, your unfamiliarity with Schneier's extensive writings does not amount to Schneier's post being "out of context."

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by aaron-lebo »

Jtsummers wrote: post #41
aaron-lebo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, I might even be tempted to believe that but he presents it like it's a known thing. Why should we fear a Trump administration more? Why should we fear it so much that it's worth changing our personal focus for the next four years? Doesn't that seem reactionary? If we look at the facts, we know that the Bushes and Clintons are friendly and even share a lot of similar views and the same goes for the Obamas and Cli…

Trump has consistently demonstrated his impulsiveness and lack of restraint in communicating his thoughts. To the point that erroneous statements about some companies have sent their stocks downward. He also claimed, without evidence, that a plane crash that had just occurred was by Islamic terrorists. He also called for a boycott of Apple (though his campaign staff still used their devices) because they wouldn't cre…

I'm saying that the Clintons and Trump are a lot closer than people realize:

People with knowledge of the call in both camps said it was one of many that Clinton and Trump have had over the years, whether about golf or donations to the Clinton Foundation. But the call in May was considered especially sensitive, coming soon after Hillary Rodham Clinton had declared her own presidential run the month before.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-...

These people being so close makes it strange that the elcetion of one would cause fear while the other would cause things to go on as usual.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by lj3 »

karim wrote: post #30
jstewartmobile wrote: post #26

Brother Bruce has been fighting the righteous fight for a long time now, and he has been doing it with minimal ego and loads of class. And here is he is trying to lift the spirits of the anti-Trump privacy folks. What's wrong with that? Where's the love y'all?

I wouldn't read too much into this. People on Hacker News have this pavlovian need to contradict any article they're commenting on. If Schneier was saying the task was too big, you'd have people saying he's giving up too easily.

I think the negativity comes from the fact that it's hard to watch your heroes fall.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by [deleted] »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #40
idlewords wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to say "why only now..." and say you don't understand the author's mindset for conditioning his concerns on who is in power, then yes, you do have an obilgation to back that up.

Like many, I was surprised and shocked by the election of Donald Trump as president. I believe his ideas, temperament, and inexperience represent a grave threat to our country and world. Suddenly, all the things I had planned to work on seemed trivial in comparison. Although Internet security and privacy are not the most important policy areas at risk, I believe he -- and, more importantly, his cabinet, administratio…

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Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by naasking »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #33
privong wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He even says as much: Those are my four areas. Under a Clinton administration, my list would have looked much the same. Trump's election just means the threats will be much greater, and the battles a lot harder to win.

See, I might even be tempted to believe that but he presents it like it's a known thing. Why should we fear a Trump administration more? Why should we fear it so much that it's worth changing our personal focus for the next four years? Doesn't that seem reactionary? If we look at the facts, we know that the Bushes and Clintons are friendly and even share a lot of similar views and the same goes for the Obamas and Cli…

> Why should we fear a Trump administration more?

Because Trump explicitly campaigned on going after journalists and his critics. He literally said he was going to rewrite slander and libel laws so he could sue people who criticized him. He's also probably one of the most litigious people in America, so it's not just talk.

How do you not know all this? Did you not pay attention to the election?

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by rajangdavis »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #33
privong wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He even says as much: Those are my four areas. Under a Clinton administration, my list would have looked much the same. Trump's election just means the threats will be much greater, and the battles a lot harder to win.

See, I might even be tempted to believe that but he presents it like it's a known thing. Why should we fear a Trump administration more? Why should we fear it so much that it's worth changing our personal focus for the next four years? Doesn't that seem reactionary? If we look at the facts, we know that the Bushes and Clintons are friendly and even share a lot of similar views and the same goes for the Obamas and Cli…

I could be wrong, but I think there is a difference in that with Clinton, there was an expectation of what kind of administration she was going to have.

Trump, on the other hand, has been unpredictable since his election (I speak more about his inclusion of Elon Musk into his advisory council as well as Bill Gates comparing him to JFK). I think an administration that is business-minded can yield great economic prosperity but might not necessarily have interests in maintaining the rights of American citizens.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by naasking »

drieddust wrote: post #32

I think he should plan for 8 years :) Trump might get another term. Trump probably will win the next election because he knows how to attract populace. At least this has worked beautifully in other places. To be fair a lot of thing he talk about are sensible. But he doesn't have a clue on how to fix them so he won't bring any meaningful change. He did the talking and won. He will talk again and win again.

> Trump probably will win the next election because he knows how to attract populace.

Trump only won because fewer Liberals voted. I don't think that will happen 4 years from now.

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