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Ask HN: What percentage of teams do daily standups, do you think?

#1
I currently work on a team doing blue sky research. We do daily standups. It's the lamest thing ever because everyone always wants to look like they know what they're doing so they always choose tasks that they already know how to do, so that they appear competent during the standup. No innovation actually ever gets done.

The thing is this seems to be fairly common, I see it a lot in other blue sky groups. Who also get nothing done...

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#2
You need someone involved who is willing and able to cut through the bullshit and call people out for doing that then. Daily standups quickly devolve to status updates, when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems.

One quick trick is to eliminate the "what did you do yesterday" question. It doesn't really matter. What matters is if each person is on track with the work they committed to, and people aren't being lazy.

And also, if people are basically taking the easy way out, sounds like you have a really bad project manager/product owner who isn't keeping tabs on things.

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You need someone involved who is willing and able to cut through the bullshit and call people out for doing that then. Daily standups quickly devolve to status updates, when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems. One quick trick is to eliminate the "what did you do yesterday" question. It doesn't really matter. What matters is if each person is on track with the work th…

> when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems.

I don't see why we need daily stand ups for this either. What's the point of saying "everything's going fine" every meeting?

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You need someone involved who is willing and able to cut through the bullshit and call people out for doing that then. Daily standups quickly devolve to status updates, when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems. One quick trick is to eliminate the "what did you do yesterday" question. It doesn't really matter. What matters is if each person is on track with the work th…

> when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems. I don't see why we need daily stand ups for this either. What's the point of saying "everything's going fine" every meeting?

> everything's going fine

for good team lead it should indicate that "something is wrong". It possible cannot be "fine" every meeting, if team is really solving some problems. If team doesn't solve anything complex - there is no need for standup.

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#6
Standups are for teams who solves problems and need constantly keep in touch to see if the whole team moving in the same direction. If your team is bunch of people working on independent projects - no need for standup. It sounds like you have manager who has no time/skills to put things in order.

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#7
Daily standups are horrible. It's another "agile" thing that sounds good when somebody made it up, but is completely pointless and counter-productive in practice. And stand-up usually occurs when developers are actually starting to get productive in the morning.

I'm just not doing it anymore..along with open office.

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> when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems. I don't see why we need daily stand ups for this either. What's the point of saying "everything's going fine" every meeting?

> everything's going fine for good team lead it should indicate that "something is wrong". It possible cannot be "fine" every meeting, if team is really solving some problems. If team doesn't solve anything complex - there is no need for standup.

But unless there is a problem then "going fine" is just a reiteration of what's on the job board.

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You need someone involved who is willing and able to cut through the bullshit and call people out for doing that then. Daily standups quickly devolve to status updates, when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems. One quick trick is to eliminate the "what did you do yesterday" question. It doesn't really matter. What matters is if each person is on track with the work th…

> when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems. I don't see why we need daily stand ups for this either. What's the point of saying "everything's going fine" every meeting?

if you have a ten person standup, and 8 of those people say "everything's going fine", and they're being honest (key), then you had a good standup. It's good because those other two people are saying "I'm blocked by XYZ".

It takes 5 seconds to say "I'm good, no blockers".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when the true purpose is to identify blockers and dependencies before they become problems. I don't see why we need daily stand ups for this either. What's the point of saying "everything's going fine" every meeting?

if you have a ten person standup, and 8 of those people say "everything's going fine", and they're being honest (key), then you had a good standup. It's good because those other two people are saying "I'm blocked by XYZ". It takes 5 seconds to say "I'm good, no blockers".

But why can't those two just tell the team they're blocked via email/IM?
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