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Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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I don’t have Uber installed on my phone. I mostly walk or take the bus/subway. This is just my observations as a pedestrian.

If you're not in the car, how can you possibly know whether it's Uber or not?

In some places Uber cars have stickers on their windshield

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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Why wouldn't you want to give a bad rating for bad driving? I almost always give 5 stars, but with the notable exception being distracted or aggressive drivers.

Because the driver will retaliate by giving you a bad rating.

Does the driver see individual ratings? In most pools the driver immediately rates the passenger, anyway.

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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Updated Uber statement: "This incident was due to human error. This is why we believe so much in making the roads safer by building self-driving Ubers. This vehicle was not part of the pilot and was not carrying customers. The driver involved has been suspended while we continue to investigate." https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/14/uber-looking-into-incident...

I find it telling that they do not actually say whether the car was in autonomous mode when it ran the red light, only that it was "due to human error". Was the human error that they didn't assume manual control and stop the car?

I hope they wouldn't be that shortsighted. If they start suspending employees because of getting caught on camera not reacting to the car's screw up in time they're going to create a lot of distrust and encourage concealment of issues that they'll need to know about to make a safe solution.

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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Uber exemplifies the libertarian / anarchist subculture in tech. It seems to be a winning strategy for them so far. Edit: to clarify my position. This is why software will never be regarded as an engineering profession. There is a complete disregard for everything that would make us a profession. I'm saddened with the way the world has gone in 2016. It's like we rebelled against adulthood on a global scale.

So I have an off topic question? I originally got into tech because I hate my life and thought that tech was this outlet that could actually make some change. I come from a world of violence and abuse and never really cared for the powers that be. Tech seemed like the answer. So my question to the people who don't feel this way: why are you in tech? Serious question. Tech only seems interesting because you can move f…

I've thought a lot about this and can only conclude that the only reason that drives me (when I could be in other socially and financially better jobs) is the promise of striking gold with some successful B2C or B2B product, be it VR or CRUD apps. Actual CS engineering is interesting but not worth making as many sacrifices for.

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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I'm going to talk about my state's perspective because what you're saying sounds like madness. > 16 year old kids with a few hours of driving school The standard curriculum for 16 year old drivers is 12-16 hours of in class lecturing, 5 hours of in-car instruction with a licensed professional, a minimum of 50 hours of in-car instruction from a guardian or family member, a nuanced written test, and an hour in-car exam…

That's a lot of regulations. I would think that teenage drivers are very safe. > In 2014, 2,270 teens in the United States ages 16–19 were killed and 221,313 were treated in emergency departments for injuries suffered in motor vehicle crashes. That means that six teens ages 16–19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries. In 2013, young people ages 15-19 represented only 7% of the U.S. population. However, they acco…

Those teens are driving in all sorts of conditions that autonomous vehicles can't even touch right now.

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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I don’t have Uber installed on my phone. I mostly walk or take the bus/subway. This is just my observations as a pedestrian.

oh, then I misunderstood. Would still be curious how passengers actually act in these cases, since "I don't want to give a bad rating" seems to be a big thing.

I give bad ratings any time a driver acts like this. I have no problem with that and if Uber wants to stop servicing me because I handed a bad driver a bad rating, I am ok with that.

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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oh, then I misunderstood. Would still be curious how passengers actually act in these cases, since "I don't want to give a bad rating" seems to be a big thing.

Why wouldn't you want to give a bad rating for bad driving? I almost always give 5 stars, but with the notable exception being distracted or aggressive drivers.

I don't want to criticize you in particular but I have a problem with "always give 5 stars". Are you telling me that your average Uber ride is 100% perfect? I find that hard to believe, moreover basic distributions would find this improbable.

Sorry for ranting, I wish more people would give realistic ratings to things instead of starting with 100% perfect and decrementing for misses. It should start in the middle, 50% and go up or down based on experience. This would give a much better set of ratings that mean something.

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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If you're not in the car, how can you possibly know whether it's Uber or not?

There's a sticker on every Uber, isn't there? http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/article64550272.html

That and 90+% its a Toyota Prius.

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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The data collection required for autonomous vehicles includes even very minor accidents. The idea is to collect data on what failed and why before somebody gets killed. Unlike regular accident data, all reports are public. This lets us see that Google's repeat problem is being rear-ended when their cars stop while entering an intersection because they detected cross-traffic. It also tells us that Cruise Automation hi…

So do you think the public wouldn't be able to inform themselves on which service or vehicle is safer before purchasing these cars without this data? Or that Google, Uber, Tesla, etc wouldn't already be taking these numbers very seriously and doing everything to minimize them? Or that the public wouldn't truly know the real safety of these vehicle as a whole vs human drivers.... without this mandatory test vehicle pe…

> Or that Google, Uber, Tesla, etc wouldn't already be taking these numbers very seriously and doing everything to minimize them?

Given that we know existing car manufacturers have faked or covered up safety data in the past, you're putting a lot of faith in the goodness of tech companies.

Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco

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So do you think the public wouldn't be able to inform themselves on which service or vehicle is safer before purchasing these cars without this data? Or that Google, Uber, Tesla, etc wouldn't already be taking these numbers very seriously and doing everything to minimize them? Or that the public wouldn't truly know the real safety of these vehicle as a whole vs human drivers.... without this mandatory test vehicle pe…

> Or that Google, Uber, Tesla, etc wouldn't already be taking these numbers very seriously and doing everything to minimize them? Given that we know existing car manufacturers have faked or covered up safety data in the past, you're putting a lot of faith in the goodness of tech companies.

The organization who detected that VW was faking the data wasn't actually the government (California Air Resources Board in this case). It was detected by a privately funded organization... funded in part by technology billionaires:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Council_on_Clean...

...I'm the one questioning the utility in of California's system of control. My faith in either actor's earnest participation is therefore not of much use.

I do know customers value safety and honesty of companies they buy/use cars from, and so do the investors who back these companies. Which are the people who keep these companies in business. That pressure exists independently of these permits. Which is why one must realistically question the utility of special government oversight.

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