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Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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OK so I'd like to invite the pure free market types to explain how this gets fixed without any government, including no lawsuits. Because I keep hearing from free market types that 100% of phishing victims are ignorant and basically deserve what happens to them, if they can't learn that they're being duped they deserve to be duped, they somehow think wholesale loss of trust ends up being focused only on specific companies rather than entire technologies. And so on.

So how are these externalities dealt with where there is no such thing as insurance for this type of breach? There's no way to put the toothpaste (my private information in the form of answers to personal "security questions") back into the tube (only my brain or nearby sphere of influence).

And this goes along with IoT devices that aren't having their known exploits patched by their manufacturers. Similar problem different details.

So without broad laws that say this is wrong and here is a mechanism to attach a tangible cost to this information so a proper risk assessment is done, I imagine we keep seeing this happen with essentially no punishment beyond what Yahoo already is getting punished for.

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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"Separately, we previously disclosed that our outside forensic experts were investigating the creation of forged cookies that could allow an intruder to access users’ accounts without a password. Based on the ongoing investigation, we believe an unauthorized third party accessed our proprietary code to learn how to forge cookies." So that exactly explains how my Yahoo account was used to send spam despite having a pa…

What do you mean by a password that can't be reasonably brute forced? EDIT: To clarify, I mean specifically with md5. I'm by no means an expert, just curious because I had considered md5 so broken that this comment caught my attention.

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Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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Sorry, there's no shielding Marrisa Mayer from this. Yes, she had only been there a year or so. But that's long enough she should have been on top of security. Yes, she's just killing time until she leaves now anyway. But, the symbolic statement is still important - she should resign.

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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So, the scuttlebutt last time was that they disclosed the hack due to a potential Verizon buyout forcing their hand. Seems as though this could be the same thing, generally speaking. Can anyone enlighten me as to how Verizon compels Yahoo to disclose this information? Or rather, how does Verizon know about these intrusions, if they do?

Some states like CA have a legal requirement to notify in the event of a breach, so hiding this event is illegal.

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) As Yahoo "upgraded" all password storage in UDB (where all login / registration details are stored) to be bcrypt before 2013, I'm curious how this was possible. 2) Yahoo doesn't use a centralized session storage. If you know a few values (not disclosing the exact ones) from the UDB, it's theoretically (guess not so theoretical now) possible to create forged cookies if you steal the signing keys. To my knowledge, t…

Is the info about the Y and T cookies in this pdf [1][2] accurate? [1] (EDIT: now with screenshots) http://imgur.com/a/g61VZ [2] (Not affiliated with link, but the risk-averse may wish to open in a sandbox) ftp://hackbbs.org/milworm/270

Doing a google search for the link showed me the title of the document which I remember reading in the past. The overall coverage of Y&T cookies is more or less accurate at the time of writing back in like 2010/2011, but there's a bunch of mostly minor technical inaccuracies too. I don't want to comment on much without rereading it, but I remember the description of Sled ID made me laugh (which btw I'd guess less than 1% of current Yahoo employees knows what that is).

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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post #111

OK so I'd like to invite the pure free market types to explain how this gets fixed without any government, including no lawsuits. Because I keep hearing from free market types that 100% of phishing victims are ignorant and basically deserve what happens to them, if they can't learn that they're being duped they deserve to be duped, they somehow think wholesale loss of trust ends up being focused only on specific comp…

You're demanding accountability from insane people.

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Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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post #111

OK so I'd like to invite the pure free market types to explain how this gets fixed without any government, including no lawsuits. Because I keep hearing from free market types that 100% of phishing victims are ignorant and basically deserve what happens to them, if they can't learn that they're being duped they deserve to be duped, they somehow think wholesale loss of trust ends up being focused only on specific comp…

> including no lawsuits

Are there are "free market types" who actually believe there shouldn't be any form of sanctions whatsoever for causing harm? I've talked to quite a few hardcore libertarians, and I've yet to encounter anyone who takes it that far.

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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Guys... let's just delete our Yahoo accounts. That company can't go bankrupt fast enough. It will sell our data for quarters.

But I'm afraid I have no sympathy for outraged users. No more than if it was gmail or hotmail. They didn't pay for the service, they got an email service for free. It's hard to complain when it is free. And they did enter into an agreement where they sell their privacy against a free service.

Knock-Knock... I pay for Y!Mail Plus. It's not just free users wanting a drop-box for spam.
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