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China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by rfdub »

laurent123456 wrote: post #22

The article doesn't mention that but another possible factor is that life is not that great over there either. If you are not Chinese, you'll always be a foreigner there, even if you spend ten years in the same city, so that makes it difficult to integrate. You'll also have to deal with the Chinese administration for the visa, residence permit, etc. which is quite a pain. It's definitely a great place to visit or eve…

Racial discrimination is completely legal in China. Why the hell would anyone want to move to a country where they can legally be discriminated against?

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Post by mc32 »

clifanatic wrote: post #162

> There is no union nor labour law in China (well technically they both exist but..). Same thing in America. > So labour abusing is normal. Same thing in America. > Many tech workers are 'voluntarily' working 996 on a 955 pay slip. Same thing in America.

Well, then, I guess we'll see an evening out of talent soon, since things are the same.

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Post by dragonwriter »

officialjunk wrote: post #88

Have you been, or personally know, a minority immigrant in the US?

Yes. Since my wife (and all of her immediate birth family, and lots of people I know through her, as well as lots of people I'm close to not through her) fits that description. Some of them even have experience with other immigration systems for comparison.

The US immigration system is far from ideal (especially from the perspective of prospective and not categorically barred immigrants.) It's also much, much better for actual admitted immigrant and non-immigrant foreigners than systems in most of the rest of the world.

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Post by st3v3r »

Buetol wrote: post #23

The salaries in china are getting way higher than in silicon valley as far as I can see and that's gonna make people move. Especially with more and more layoffs in SV and the european market lacking jobs. EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong, I did the wrong conversion while on glassdoor. Salary in china are way lower than SV My point is that people move where the money is, when the salary are gonna be higher, people are gonna…

Even if it is higher (which apparently it's not), is it high enough to make up for all of the other downsides, specifically the totalitarianism and the pollution?

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Post by serge2k »

mc32 wrote: post #202
clifanatic wrote: post #162

> There is no union nor labour law in China (well technically they both exist but..). Same thing in America. > So labour abusing is normal. Same thing in America. > Many tech workers are 'voluntarily' working 996 on a 955 pay slip. Same thing in America.

Well, then, I guess we'll see an evening out of talent soon, since things are the same.

In america people love to complain publicly about the government.

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Post by yvsong »

vtange wrote: post #167
__derek__ wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's striking about this description is that a number of would-be Western leaders seem to be looking at the situation and saying, "Wow, that looks great. I want my own."

But can you blame them? For years China's mantra to the West was, "Look at how great our economy's doing! Look at how divided and problematic democracies can be, they are not even that much better than China on human rights! The 21st century is not for idealistic democracies but for China."

I wonder how many have studied Herr Führer's record on German economy. The 2 major mistakes of mankind in the 20th century are fascism and communism.

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Post by xiaoma »

cesarbs wrote: post #185
blacktulip wrote: post #173

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It would be a book. There are of course extreme workloads from both the schools and the parents. But to me there is something worse - the public shaming culture. I live in the UK now. Something very odd to me at the beginning is that I can never know how good my kids are doing compare to their classmates. The teachers would politely refuse to answer such questions. And the 'parents meeting' is private to one pupil's…

Are test scores calculated relative to the top performer - so that there will always be bottom performers - or is there a bar that everyone could clear so no student would be shamed?

There are always bottom performers.

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Post by robocat »

cjslep wrote: post #64
s4vi0r wrote: post #49

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Just curious, what are some examples of difficult/weird vowel or consonant sounds that you think English has? And why do you think Spanish is easy in terms of sounds? IMO Mandarin is pretty difficult since it has both tones and weird vowels/consonants - I feel like in English most people struggling tend to only have significant trouble with articles and the "th" sound.

In English in The South in the USA, often "can" and "can't" are pronounced the same ("can") with a minor difference in the way the "a" and "n" are held.

And just as badly, "can't" and "cunt" just vary the vowel length without changing the vowel or consonant sounds (in some English accents). Many languages don't use vowel length to signify changes in meaning, and it is obviously hard to teach.

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Post by jimmywanger »

hawflakes wrote: post #159
jimmywanger wrote: post #101

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The problem would be way way smaller if the language were more phoenetic. I've gotten into arguments with Chinese language speakers, and they insist that the language has phoetic elements, with certain ideograms giving clues on how to pronounce words. That's all well and good, but phoentic implies the other way around too. After hearing a word, you'll have to be able to write it. For instance, "kill", "sand", and the…

In this case parent is referring to the phoneme [shā] which map to the characters 殺，沙，and 鯊. (using traditional) and mean "kill", "sand", and "shark" respectively. Note that the last one, 鯊 is composed of two components 沙 and 魚. So the top component is the phonetic hint and the bottom is semantic, as 魚 means "fish". Many characters for types of "fish" (I use "fish" loosely as things like whales 鯨魚 are considered fish…

Thanks for your input. I think my main point is that a phonetic language goes both ways.

Without any context, or meaning, you should be able to write a word just by hearing it. Similarly, without any context or meaning, by seeing a word, you should be able to pronounce it.

Now, of course it's a sliding scale.

But I think Chinese is on one end of the scale, where if you're just given the phenome shā without context or meaning, it's literally impossible to figure out how to write the word.

In English and all romance languages, you can try to spell it somewhat, and then give it to a native reader to see what it means. This helps a lot when you're reading subtitles for television programs or listening to the radio. If you're reading subtitles, you can sorta figure out what matches up to what. If you're listening to the radio, you can make a best guess on how to spell a word and ask somebody what it means.

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