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China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by yzard »

ar15saveslives wrote: post #100
blacktulip wrote: post #68

As a Chinese I would say that the points in this article, though true, are not among the driving reasons. If you ask me, I would present this list: 1. Practically, there are only 4-5 cities suitable for 'tech talents' in China. The properties prices in these cities are comparable to the ones in NY and SF while the salary isn't. BTW: you have very little chance to be able to get married without a property under your n…

> Primary/secondary education in China is very, very cruel Could you elaborate? Based upon what I see here in Canada, chinese immigrants maniacally push their children to all functions that can be found around. And it's considered good when there're many chinese children in your kid's class.

As a Chinese, Chinese culture think taking the education is the best way to be success. Honestly, most think that's the only way to do it, no matter they are poor/rich, or even under educated. if they(including me) want their kids to live better in the future, the fundamental thing is education.

I attended a very competitive high school in China, and under pretty high peer pressure, books were stacking up on my desk. The final goal is getting high score in "SAT" like test(also much harder) and attending good university. Some of my classmates get medal from International Olympiad and have higher chance to get in to good universities.

I think the historical reason for putting education in such high level is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by cylinder »

magic_beans wrote: post #36
billconan wrote: post #17

this is very much true. Outside censorship, the working culture of China is also quite different. It's quite common to do overtime in China. work-life balance is less respected. People accept it as the normal and are proud of it. My friend worked for an accounting company. In busy season, she had to work till 5a.m. in the morning of the next day and present her report to her supervisor at 8 a.m. she took her toothbru…

Wow. That's pretty horrifying.

None of those stories are rare in the US professional world - GP did not say that's happening every day there. Also, the 40-hr work week is a relatively new development even in advanced nations. China is newer to this game so yes a six day work week will be considered an achievement.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by cylinder »

SEJeff wrote: post #26
throw12313221 wrote: post #10

For people from Russia or other countries China could be attractive option. Take-home money can be good, especially with low taxation. US is not really a competition, it is relatively unfriendly to foreigners, very hard to move there. But I think China wants to mainly increase talent retention. There are many Chinese who stay in US after finishing their studies there. China wants those educated people back.

I guess it depends on your idea of "unfriendly to foreigners". If you're referring to countries where the US has icy relations with, getting a visa might be problematic, otherwise, I think your experience is a bit off. As a native born American, I see a surprising amount of small business owners who are successful are not from America. Even in the small town (Nicholasville, KY population ~20,000) I'm from, most of th…

No offense but I don't think you really have a grasp of the US immigration system. It's very difficult to immigrate or even get a temporary work visa. It's easier if you are the relative of a US citizen, but even then if you are mainland Chinese born or Indian you have to wait in a long queue unless you are the spouse of a US citizen.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

throw12313221 wrote: post #123
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US is not really a competition, it is relatively unfriendly to foreigners, very hard to move there. Which is why the immigration volume into the USA is more than 10 times greater than China? > There are many Chinese who stay in US after finishing their studies there. China wants those educated people back. Sure China wants those people back, but those people want to avoid the smog and are rather happy with the publ…

If you want to go abroad for couple of years to make some money, before returning home and starting a family, china is a good option.

Yes, that's what I did (10 years, not 2). But it was always temporary since china doesn't have immigration.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by duaneb »

cylinder wrote: post #130
duaneb wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean how the child of an immigrant is President?

His father was not an immigrant, he was born in Queens. And the immigration laws are a much bigger obstacle now than they were even in the 80s.

I was referring to Obama Sr, who was born in Kenya.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by duaneb »

Jtsummers wrote: post #99
duaneb wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean how the child of an immigrant is President?

US immigration goes beyond just the President's personal views and desires. The present situation is pretty difficult for many would-be immigrants, even those from middle class backgrounds in stable countries. If they lack a degree or their degree isn't recognized, they can't easily get a work visa (for permanent resident status, not temporary workers). They have to get married, go for the diversity visa program, or…

This is true. But compare it to other countries: even where immigration is more relaxed, the cultural acceptance of foreign culture is greater in the US than most places. The only place I might prefer to be as a foreigner would be Canada.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by dang »

ommunist wrote: post #77

You should educate that hierarchy by trolling them with your mighty flock of rabid robots.

Hey. We have a soft spot for former geodesists and forestry specialists (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9910140), but we need you to stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.

Even if everything you say is 100% correct, posting this way sets a terrible example for lesser users, so you're pushing this site closer to the wasteland either way. And nobody bats 100.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13168013 and marked it off-topic.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Post by magic_beans »

irrational wrote: post #81
Symmetry wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is learning tones much harder than learning all the weird vowel and consonant sounds that English has? I'd always though of English and China as examples of hard languages in terms of sounds and languages like Spanish and Japanese as easy in terms of sounds.

The difference is, I grew up learning English ;-) Seriously though, I tried learning Chinese, but for the life of me I couldn't tell the difference between the tones. They all sounded the same to me. I don't know if it's related, but I don't have an ear for music (Music does nothing for me so I have never listened to it by choice). Spanish on the other hand is amazing. I know an handful of languages, but Spanish by f…

I find Spanish grammar very easy but it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to understand certain accents -- for example Dominican Spanish is really hard for me to understand.
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