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China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct The problem would be much smaller if they used a non-tonal language with a manageable alphabet or abjad (like Cyrillic or Arabic)

Korean's alphabet is simpler than both you listed imho, but that's just my take.

I disagree, because the Korean alphabet requires composition of glyphs

Arabic has some marks and different start/middle/end forms but it is simpler

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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The article doesn't mention that but another possible factor is that life is not that great over there either. If you are not Chinese, you'll always be a foreigner there, even if you spend ten years in the same city, so that makes it difficult to integrate. You'll also have to deal with the Chinese administration for the visa, residence permit, etc. which is quite a pain. It's definitely a great place to visit or even to spend a few years, but it's not that welcoming if you want to live there more permanently.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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The salaries in china are getting way higher than in silicon valley as far as I can see and that's gonna make people move. Especially with more and more layoffs in SV and the european market lacking jobs.

EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong, I did the wrong conversion while on glassdoor. Salary in china are way lower than SV

My point is that people move where the money is, when the salary are gonna be higher, people are gonna move there

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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post #15

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Except for WeChat? Wasn't there an article a while back touting how WeChat is ahead of Facebook in terms of user experience?

Is this supposed to be a joke? I hardly see any non-Chinese using wechat....

The point of my comment is that WeChat is better Facebook clone.. At least that was the discussion here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12626090

It gets a positive response in terms of usability, technical capabilities, etc.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct The problem would be much smaller if they used a non-tonal language with a manageable alphabet or abjad (like Cyrillic or Arabic)

Korean's alphabet is simpler than both you listed imho, but that's just my take.

hangul is probably my favorite writing system, but I wouldn't really consider it any simpler than an alphabet type system. Can't speak for abjads, though.

Also, converting spoken Korean into text can be tricky for non native speakers (e.g. 맛 is pronounced 'Mat' although the spelling would indicate 'Mas')

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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For people from Russia or other countries China could be attractive option. Take-home money can be good, especially with low taxation. US is not really a competition, it is relatively unfriendly to foreigners, very hard to move there. But I think China wants to mainly increase talent retention. There are many Chinese who stay in US after finishing their studies there. China wants those educated people back.

I guess it depends on your idea of "unfriendly to foreigners". If you're referring to countries where the US has icy relations with, getting a visa might be problematic, otherwise, I think your experience is a bit off.

As a native born American, I see a surprising amount of small business owners who are successful are not from America. Even in the small town (Nicholasville, KY population ~20,000) I'm from, most of the convenience stores and gas stations are owned by a single middle eastern family that is super friendly to everyone. I went to school with Charlie, one of their sons, who was the first to be born and raised in the US. I see so many Americans who were raised in relative ease and comfort simply being out hustled by immigrants and "foreigners" who have more drive.

You know what, that is great! The healthy mix of diversity is what makes America (already) great. If a family legally comes from Mexico and wants to hustle their way into success, I'm all for it. Immigration is not a bad thing.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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For people from Russia or other countries China could be attractive option. Take-home money can be good, especially with low taxation. US is not really a competition, it is relatively unfriendly to foreigners, very hard to move there. But I think China wants to mainly increase talent retention. There are many Chinese who stay in US after finishing their studies there. China wants those educated people back.

"But I think China wants to mainly increase talent retention. There are many Chinese who stay in US after finishing their studies there. China wants those educated people back."

They should consider democracy, then. Educated people like that.

I was born in a communist country. It's not surprising to me that smart people want to leave.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Korean's alphabet is simpler than both you listed imho, but that's just my take.

I disagree, because the Korean alphabet requires composition of glyphs Arabic has some marks and different start/middle/end forms but it is simpler

Bonus points that everything in Arabic is phoentic. Something is spelled like it sounds (unlike english) and there is little ambiguity.

Re: China won't be luring foreign tech talent any time soon

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For people from Russia or other countries China could be attractive option. Take-home money can be good, especially with low taxation. US is not really a competition, it is relatively unfriendly to foreigners, very hard to move there. But I think China wants to mainly increase talent retention. There are many Chinese who stay in US after finishing their studies there. China wants those educated people back.

Once you have certain categories of information on tap, you never want to be locked behind a firewall again. I'm not just talking about salacious imagery, either.

The US needs to clean up its act, as well, as it is losing many of the most desirable Chinese immigration candidates to Canada now.

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