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Intelligence. Tenacity. Ambition. Judgement. Bonus points for recognizing the bullshit parade that is the current startup world. e.g.: NodeJS has value, but it's mostly the same wheel we've had for 20+ years. Or that MongoDB's changelog has consisted of standard SQL features for the past five years and that pgsql would have been just fine (had people read some boyce-codd anyhow).

How do you judge those qualities? I too interview for a similar set of skills (intelligence, curiosity, a desire to constantly improve things, someone who's just willing to put in the hard slog as well as work on the fun projects) but it's incredibly hard!

I've definitely had people that interviewed well that just wanted JIRA tickets fed to them immediately upon starting. It's very hard to figure out if someone will seek out and make improvements consistently from the basis of conversations.

(I'm in ops so there's rarely a body of code available they can share for how they work, either.)

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I am 100% owner of an internet company making 7 figure profits annually. I am extremely secretive of my business, almost to the point that some would consider a pathology. However, I will divulge my hiring strategy, because even if everyone uses my method, there will still be many employees for me to choose from. I look to hire people who just need a job. People who are qualified, but not overly qualified. People I k…

Seem to be dancing around saying you preferentially hire military veterans without actually saying it.

Basically you've described my serious, competent, self disciplined ex-mil and reserves/NG coworkers. Wait... do I work for you?

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FastMail in Melbourne is going to be hiring for skills in three languages: middleware (Perl), frontend (Javascript) and support (English) early next year. It's not so much specific tech skills as attitude. We're strong on pragmatism with a touch of pride in doing it right. Pragmatism without that pride in quality leads to hacks that are unmaintainable - obsession over perfect without pragmatism leads to never deliver…

Do you have any insight what it's like getting into this industry here in Melbourne? I've been teaching myself JavaScript and built a functional, interactive site. But speaking to an agency yesterday, they said they wouldn't even consider looking at anything for me where I hadn't worked for a couple of years already. Chicken and egg problem. This website seems to be mostly Californians. (Maybe I need to hang out on W…

If you don't have any formal experience, you aren't going to have much luck with agencies. They're strictly looking to put round pegs in round holes - match up the experience and education credentials and listed skills with the company's posted requirements. But that isn't the only way to get a job. You're going to need to convince somebody with some hiring authority to take a chance on you.

This usually entails hanging around at tech conferences, meetups, user groups, and other such in-person social networking events, including more business-focused ones. Do things to contribute, and talk to people. You'll want to focus on smaller companies without a lot of strict hiring requirements. There are decent companies out there willing to hire junior people without a lot of formal experience. Flip side is that agencies also evaluate the companies for you before you even know anything happened. You won't have this, so you'll have to be more careful about checking out any company you might work for. You probably won't find your dream job right off the bat, just find somewhere you can build something with actual users, make some money, and learn things, and start building a resume. You might luck out and end up somewhere awesome, or you might find yourself somewhere you just want to get enough experience at before moving on.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers, what tech skills will you be hiring for in 2017?

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People who can be micro-managed and used as resources. People who will do the job.

> "used as resources" Yikes. Can't help but think that you really just want a robot.

If you have a problem with that terminology, then you have a problem with capitalism.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers, what tech skills will you be hiring for in 2017?

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I am 100% owner of an internet company making 7 figure profits annually. I am extremely secretive of my business, almost to the point that some would consider a pathology. However, I will divulge my hiring strategy, because even if everyone uses my method, there will still be many employees for me to choose from. I look to hire people who just need a job. People who are qualified, but not overly qualified. People I k…

Hmmm. Your "who knows how to take orders without question" requirement (paragraph 3) would discourage every great person I've ever met, while weakening your overall enterprise (what if the Titanic's jr. officers had respectfully asked questions about going full speed at night in waters known to have icebergs?).

Manage your boss by not screwing up their OODA loop. Open your mouth at the Observe stage no matter if they want you to or not, don't distract them at the O and D stages, and make the best as fast as possible of their Act stage. Slowing down or sabotaging their O,D, or worst of all, A, makes you look like a problem and slows the loop cycle time making the likelihood of future bad O or D even higher while also pushing the correct A out while possibly cutting into future Observe stage available time, a quadruple lose-lose-lose-lose situation, which is impressive in its own way.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers, what tech skills will you be hiring for in 2017?

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When recruiting for web development (heavy JavaScript SPA work), I look for 3 technical skills: 1. Core JavaScript. You should be able to read modern idiomatic JS code pulled from an open source project and explain what it is doing and how you would modify it to add features. 2. Core CSS. You should be able to review Bootstrap source and explain how it works. You should be able to create static HTML/CSS to match UI m…

This may not be the place for this, but do you have any recommendations for learning front end development in that way? I've done some front end for my current job, but frankly I'm an amateur and I want to be able to market myself as full stack. Do I just glue a tab with Mozilla docs to my browser and make sites in my spare time? I'm asking you in particular because I value core competencies and what you're looking for what I want to achieve.

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So given that I may likely be hiring in the web and mobile application security spaces again next year (I've _somehow_ filled all of my open positions this year; appsec is difficult to fill with external hires), I'm focusing specifically on three skills: • ability to assess tech/architecture risks in apps • experience in devops automation ("secdevops" if you will) • proven skill in communication regardless of depth T…

Super interested in this space. I checked your profile but only saw a keybase profile. A friend JUST hooked me up with an alpha tonight! What if I am infosec/netsec/whatever student and I watch a ton of Pluralsight on AWS and Docker and I am starting to build my own lab. Will people hire someone like me? I ask publicly because I assume I'm not the only one.

Possibly. Especially if you're using building the environment as a testbed for teaching yourself how to break into apps or how to automate security tools.

About that... you know what's more likely to get you hired in the space? If you have no work experience in appsec but walk in and tell or show me a pattern for how you automated appsec testing in a build pipeline or QA process at home and describe the challenges you had to overcome, or if you have a few fleshed-out bug bounty submissions (with exploits) and can describe your favorite one in depth, or if you've taught yourself how to review code for flaws and could do it in front of me in an interview setting, I might be quite willing to waive the years in appsec requirement. Other smart hiring managers probably will too.

https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebGoat_Proje... <<This is a good starting point for learning how to break things. Also for learning how to fix them :)

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers, what tech skills will you be hiring for in 2017?

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So given that I may likely be hiring in the web and mobile application security spaces again next year (I've _somehow_ filled all of my open positions this year; appsec is difficult to fill with external hires), I'm focusing specifically on three skills: • ability to assess tech/architecture risks in apps • experience in devops automation ("secdevops" if you will) • proven skill in communication regardless of depth T…

This is my absolutely favorite work. I love coding, but I absolutely love enabling developers by providing a solid architecture and DevOps ready infrastructure. Would love it.

Nice. If your background is strong in automation engineering, you can frankly probably get an appsec engineer position at most decent in-house shops right now just because so many of them are trying to avoid relying on consultants for pentests and assessments. One of the larger challenges right now at most firms building out internal appsec programs is to get to a point where security-focused static code analysis and pentest tools can be automated such that devs only need to address issues that magically pop up in Jira (or any other defect tracker) rather than having to learn new tools.

If you already have that experience but not specifically in security, it'd be a great fit and you'd be encouraged to apply wherever automation is even barely touched on as a requirement.

Guarantee you any appsec hiring manager will consider that background.

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