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Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by taeric »

Laforet wrote: post #75
taeric wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I see where you were going. Which, check my history, is not too say you are wrong. Even odds I'm just missing it. However, it seems you are assuming that we have adapted to our current diet. Possible? Surely. As an argument, though, this is appealing to the incredible nature of our bodies. I'd prefer evidence.

Your history suggest you are pretty well informed on this front so I will go straight to the point. First, adaptation != evolution. The ability to digest and use sugar has been with us for many millenia. There are ways where our body is not well equipped to deal with sugar (Such as dental hygiene, I touched on it briefly in another comment in this thread) but the other problems mentioned in the linked article have mo…

I'll read up more on the PUFA debate. At a first Google, I can't say it is shocking. My first understanding is, "we were advised to replace one kind of fat in our diets with another based primarily on associations of that fat in our blood being favourable.". Basically the opposite of how we had been told to avoid eggs. Not shocking to see that logic is questionable. Actually glad to see it questioned.

On the sugar front, is the evidence really lacking? Taubes' book referenced tons of ancient studies that showed support. Anecdotally, I have yet to meet someone that was not benefited by halting soda.

I said that I am not interested in halting research in any direction. It is likely, to me, that there are interactions involved and this will require study. I have yet to see anything that vindicates sugar, though.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by DanBC »

kumarski wrote: post #71
iopq wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true, some people can eat a lot of cheese. http://www.irkitated.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/eat-bloc... Things are not as simple as "don't eat sugar"

I think it's very true that in most scenarios it's entirely too easy to eat too much sugar in the foods we consume. I think most people with a nutritional chemistry background would agree, as well, most general medicine practitioners that eating less sugar is a proper direction for much of the population.

That's not the point you made though. You specifically said that it's hard to overconsume fat and protein.

It really isn't. When we look at what obese people eat they aren't just eating too much sugar. They're eating too much of everything, including fat.

Cutting out the sugar would help (especially because it's often a pointless addition with a painless substitution eg soda to non-sugar soda), but it would not be enough.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by WA »

neals wrote: post #70

I've really cut down on sugar from august to november. I didn't really notice anything except loosing a lot of weight (mind that I already was under weight, but I should probably build some muscle anyway) So in comes December. And there is candy and chocolate everywhere. In just a single week our house filled up with it and here I am, stuffing my face full of sugar. I think the struggle just goes on, right?

I cut sugar for 40 days in April and lost weight, too (having normal weight). After a while, I was back to old habits. Thought about trying the same thing in mid-November. Worked alright. Then came December and while I'm eating a cookie here and there, it's way less than previous years.

I think the struggle just goes on, right?

To some extend: Yes. But something flipped in my head this time. The struggle is less serious. Heck, I even prefer an orange over the cookie now.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by rogerdpack »

randomdata wrote: post #55
iopq wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true, some people can eat a lot of cheese. http://www.irkitated.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/eat-bloc... Things are not as simple as "don't eat sugar"

To be fair, cheese usually contains sugar.

I get the same effect from eating "something with cheese on top" that I do from eating sugary stuff (makes me want to eat more, makes me feel less full). I always assumed it was the lactose...

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by gtrubetskoy »

What's interesting is that most of the population of this planet does not even realize that glucose is not the only source of energy and that we can be powered entirely by beta-hydroxybutyrate (which comes from fats); our carbohydrate requirement is zero because our body can synthesize all the glucose it needs.

Here is a pretty good and scientific talk about what is happening (warning > 1 hour long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Edit: just noticed this y/t has already been cited in another comment - evermore reason to pay attention to it :)

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by cholantesh »

greywolve wrote: post #26
greywolve wrote: post #21

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Sugar is just an empty calorie, there's plenty of studies that also show that it has no real net negative effect. The problem is when your diet consists primarily of empty calories, then obviously you are going to have health problems, from lack of nutrients. If your diet is nutrient rich, a bit of extra sugar will not do anything bad.

You should always google the opposite view points too, and not just consider the main stream opinion on things. There are forums of people that take the opposite viewpoint, and do very well too. It's best to be open minded. We don't have everything figured out yet.

There are forums of people that take the viewpoint that the world is a disc and that the media is run by shapeshifting lizards, too. That doesn't mean they deserve to be taken seriously.

Re: Is Sugar Killing Us?

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Post by dandelion_lover »

ggregoire wrote: post #13
appwiz wrote: post #6

"Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us" ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00985E3UG/ ) by Michael Moss is highly recommended if you want to learn about the prevalence of sugar in processed food.

I would recommend this website as cheatsheets: http://ss.fitness/#nutrition

>>Why Does This Food Pyramid Work?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-...

"in June 2011 the USDA replaced MyPyramid with a new and simpler icon, MyPlate"

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