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Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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I disagree. In my experience, the people who actively don't follow any news at all are fully aware of their blindside. They just don't care (or have judged, quite reasonably, that they have more immediate personal concerns) The worst people are those who are glued to the TV or net, closely watching things as if the future of the world depended on whether they knew politician X was fired right now or five minutes from…

I agree. But I think someone's opinion on this will differ depending on where they fit on the political spectrum. Right-wing thinks MSM has liberal bias - would rather people avoid it. Left-wing wants people to consume more MSM - vice-versa.

Most of the people I know who intensely dislike the Mainstream Media (MSM, for anyone confused by the acronym) are either left-leaning or liberal-leaning.

(The two are not remotely the same.)

As a side note, I know precisely zero people who I would describe as "moderate" on the left-right spectrum who are at all enthusiastic about the state of 2016's news media. Of all political groups, I'd say that they're the most likely to be critical of the mainstream media.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Agreed there is a lot of garbage news. The trouble comes about if you aren't up to speed on current events that affect you. Just a simple example from today: The CIA's claims regarding Russian election hacking. I'm the CEO of a cyber security company and I'd hate to think what would happen if someone asked me about that and I wasn't aware of it. It's not just CEO's that need to stay current. If you're in PR, policy,…

"Oh? No, I hadn't formed an opinion on $newsStory. Please, tell me more." Works for me.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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What you're describing is Gell-Mann Amnesia: "Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cau…

My favourite example of this is the Economist news magazine. The Economist reports on a much larger range of country and topics than the typical magazine or newspaper. Many of its readers like it for that exact reason: it gives them information on stories they won't normally find in their local or national news sources and they want to be informed about, say, hydroelectric developments in the Congo. The problem is th…

The Economist is not perfect but is the best news source I know, by far.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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But OP is talking about TV: > To be clear, I’m mostly talking about following TV and internet newscasts here Title is clickbaity, but that's not any commenter's fault.

Codingdave is talking about having no information about what's happening in the world (other than what friends tell him), which would imply cutting off all news sources, not just TV.

No, I am not. I am talking about my filter being actual people, not mainstream media. Once I know of something, I go out and look for more information. And I keep very informed of local events, reading everything put out by my city -- council meetings minutes, announcements, planning committee documents, etc.

I can see where the misunderstanding may have come from -- I could have explained it better originally.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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I quit watching the news right around 1999. My family once challenged me how I knew about important events, and I told them that people in my life would let me know if anything occurred that I needed to know. They challenged me by quizzing me on major recent events. When they did find one that I had no idea about, they asked, "See? Nobody told you about that!" I replied, "You just did." And they have not argued about…

The downside of this approach is that if we all did it then the world would be a much worse place. Paying attention to current events and bearing witness to some of the darkest aspects of human history is important at a societal level and if you don't think it is important to you personally then consider yourself lucky to live a life where the real world doesn't creep in often. Understanding topics such as why refuge…

Counterpoint: it's been shown again and again that continued exposure to outlets deliberately cherry-picking the worst aspects of humanity (commercial news outlets) has a pretty negative effect on worldviews.

And that in turn leads to negative outcomes.

More authoritarianism, more withdrawal into closed communities, more willingness to vote for leaders who will solve the "terrible state" of the country / world by any means necessary, more enthusiasm for punishment over empathy, more othering of whichever ethic/social group that's currently being blamed for Everything Being Bad.

If you're trying to gain an accurate understanding of the world, starting with sources with an extremely strong incentive to bias the hell out of your worldview is probably not the best way to do it.

And if you're just trying to understand and mentally experience the worst humanity has to offer, then history books have plenty of really horrible shit in them, generally far worse than the 21st century so far (thankfully).

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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While I wholeheartedly agree with the author that we often spend way too much time "consuming" news, I do not agree with him that following the news is totally superfluous. As a citizen, I want to know what is going on in my country and what the government is doing about it, so that I can take an informed decision come the next election. I also want to know what is going on abroad because I have friends scattered all…

Where do you get your news digest from?

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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post #295

While I wholeheartedly agree with the author that we often spend way too much time "consuming" news, I do not agree with him that following the news is totally superfluous. As a citizen, I want to know what is going on in my country and what the government is doing about it, so that I can take an informed decision come the next election. I also want to know what is going on abroad because I have friends scattered all…

Where do you get your news digest from?

The Deutsche Welle, a German news agency. They also provide their newsletter in English though: http://www.dw.com/en/newsletter-registration/a-15718229

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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The media wants to be shocked that covering Trump 24/7 yielded a victory for Trump.

They covered the election 24/7, not just Trump, and why not?

It probably applies more to the Republican primaries, where Trump seemed to get as much publicity as the other candidates put together (and much more in international media)

Negative publicity from news sources the typical registered Republican had a fairly low opinion of almost certainly helped him greatly in what was arguably the more difficult contest for him to win.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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The local news seems to always be about murders and violence. Why is it beneficial to learn about every instance of "humans behaving badly"? (Celebrities, ok, maybe, but random people?)

>Why is it beneficial to learn about every instance of "humans behaving badly"? Because it is your civic responsibility to care that such things are happening in your community, and to allocate your political activity, voting, and charitable giving in a way that you believe will mitigate that suffering. Because if everyone said, "sometimes humans behave badly; why should I care?" we'd be living in a hellscape.

I tend to apply sphere of influence here..

If there is violence in my local community, then its realistic that I could affect some level of change there. For example, I could join a neighbourhood watch, work with local police etc. Help fund a youth club.

On the contrary, if I stay informed on as much snippets of murder, deceit and corruption that happen globally, pretty soon I will feel overwhelmed and rendered powerless.

Knowing about a drug murder in Mexico or a child slavery in north Korea, is not something I can do anything about, apart from feel depressed.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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They covered the election 24/7, not just Trump, and why not?

It probably applies more to the Republican primaries, where Trump seemed to get as much publicity as the other candidates put together (and much more in international media) Negative publicity from news sources the typical registered Republican had a fairly low opinion of almost certainly helped him greatly in what was arguably the more difficult contest for him to win.

Negative publicity can swing both ways though, it could just as well sink him.

Maybe Ron Paul should have gone for that kind of infamy :-D

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