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Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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> gossip for just a handful of drivers. They are using the technique of formula fiction , that is, what the ancient Greeks discovered as a sure-fire way to get and hold the attention of an audience. So, in that formula, there is a protagonist the audience comes to identify with , that is, care about. Then the protagonist has a problem. Through various highly in doubt and improbable victories, from skill, guts, determ…

>"Teenage boys, your life is so much easier now: Have that climax music queued up ready to go at a single button click at just the right time with her on the living room sofa. Trust me: Richard Strauss understood her much better than you do!" While I appreciate your commentary on the music of Strauss, I disliked this particular comment. Is encouraging emotional manipulation really what we want for the younger generat…

> Is encouraging emotional manipulation really what we want for the younger generations?

You are fully correct. We don't want that.

But, then, is there an alternative? My first girlfriend, she was 12 and I, 14, I regarded as an angel. She was and remains the prettiest human female I ever saw, in person or otherwise. She was burned into my brain: For the rest of my life I will no more be able to forget her than I will be able to forget my own name.

My goal with her was for us to be early teen boyfriend-girlfriend, with some protection against being lonely, some additional affection and compassion, one more person who really cared about us, some romance, security of knowing that our relationship was going to continue, hold hands, hug, and kiss, with nothing wrong and nothing dangerous.

I never tried to manipulate her emotionally, but there were a few times when she got emotional anyway; those times, I declined to take advantage of her; i guessed that a day later she or her mother would be angry. No way did I want her hurt, in any way, from any source, for any reason, at any time, and I was ready to risk my life to protect her from being hurt.

So, in reality, what I actually did was what you want teen boys to do.

My remark, the one you didn't like, was partly a joke, but there is a germ of inconvenient truth there -- it can appear that too often there is such manipulation, taking advantage, or overpowering emotions or nothing at all. Or, maybe it's as in the Strauss music or too often just doesn't happen.

Maybe the larger lesson to teen boys is, really love the girl, no way hurt her, seek to protect and care for her, but realize what an expert once told me, "Of COURSE, women are MUCH more emotional than men. That is the cause of all the problems." So, net, maybe, the boy should try to let her be as emotional as she wants but stay rational and prudent himself and do his best to let her have, help her have her emotions with full safety.

Usually it appears that not many people in our society are quite as sensitive to protecting girls, emotionally or even physically, as you are, or I was with that girl I loved, but I can partly agree with your point.

But I will say, there is evidence that some girls very much seek some of various possible forms of emotional experiences and will resent a boy who does not so contribute and respect a boy who does.

Ah, someday I'll write a book, Girls 101 for Dummies -- Boys.

The Strauss music was about all of life, and I was just mentioning the part where the two fell in love! I was mentioning the Strauss music as a grand example of formula fiction, and that is one of the pillars of the news business which the OP was talking about.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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> I haven't had a TV in the house for nearly 8 years now, and don't miss it at all. I hear a lot of people say this these days but it doesn't really count for much if you regularly watch Netflix or other ondemand Internet based TV instead.

Well, full disclosure, we DO watch the odd NetFlix shows etc., but I think the biggest difference is (a) no ads at all (b) no news blasted at us and (c) we can choose exactly what we watch, and when we watch it. We can happily go weeks without turning the thing on, and we do the occasional weekend binge of a TV series. The difference is that it is totally under our control, and we can select the content (and reject i…

In Germany we have the term "Zeitsouveränität" which means time sovereignty.

That term originally appeared to describe workplace conditions and biography.

However, nowadays it is mostly used to describe media consumption. You decide when to listen to news or watch a certain show, the same way you decide when you read the next chapter of a novel.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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The Economist also has a fairly evident political agenda.

Has The Economist shifted? I started reading it in about 2000, and at the time I really liked it because it seemed so intelligent and neutral. It seemed like such a pleasure to read something that went deep into interesting topics without an obvious axe to grind. In the past ten years it seems to have drifted gradually leftward. Sometimes I can't reconsile The Economist of 2000 with the one of 2016. Did The Economist…

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Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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This is incredibly relevant to me rn. I recently cut the cord and quit FB. I legitimately do feel much happier. My FB feed was just a stream of things to get pissed about and MSNBC was just filling my head with other people's opinions. Here's my daily routine: skim thehill.com, politico.com, reddit.com/r/news for headlines zerohedge.com when I want to see what's going on in right-wing land newsblok.com if I want to s…

I find realclearpolitics.com to be a broad slice of articles and videos from "both sides", as well as holding actual raw polling data when questionably sounding statistics are being bandied about. It also links to other non-political news in other areas, showing the major splash headlines. Its front page is also very information dense, so it's a lot more efficient than hitting all those sites individually. I believe…

> I find realclearpolitics.com to be a broad slice of articles and videos from "both sides"

I didn't know that site and just had a look at it. I found that really disappointing! All "news" for today are about Trump and nothing else:

  Sunday, December 11

  - Trump Honeymoon Begins: Confidence in Economy Booming | Cohen & Thomas, NYT
  - Why "Trump Boom" Is a Real Possibility | Kenneth Rogoff, Project Syndicate
  - Here's How to Drain the Swamp | Sen. Cruz & Rep. DeSantis, Washington Post
  - Forget Populism--Trump's Picking Orthodox Republicans | Doyle McManus, LA Times
  - How the Democratic Party Lost Its Way | Thomas Mills, Politico
  - Obama Preaches Empathy; Trump Projects It | Kyle Smith, New York Post
  - Donald Trump and the Art of Getting It Done | Monica Crowley, Washington Times
  - Why Scientists Are Scared of Trump: A Pocket Guide | Elizabeth Kolbert, New Yorker
So you have a single event, the outcome of the US elections. The dust hasn't settled yet. Nobody knows anything about what the new president will do. He hasn't done anything yet. And of course he didn't, he is still in his first days. So up to now there is absolutely no information, nothing. Yet, lots of articles talking about that. Taking about, essentially, nothing.

This is "news" without information. The worst kind of news. "Information" would mean: Choose a different topic where you can actually write something informative about.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Most important line in the article, in my opinion:

> Their selections exploit our negativity bias.

Which is true of a whole heck of a lot more than just mainstream news. Some people go overboard and try to get rid of all negative influences in their lives, but that's just going from one extreme to another.

A lot of social media is negative - because controversy inspires discussion, discussion means engagement, engagement means value.

There's too much focus in online engagement in the form of controversy and I'm of the opinion that it is a very bad thing. There's all kinds of room for innovation and disruption in the form of solutions that create healthier online engagement.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Imagine if your demographic disproportionately heeds the author's advice while nobody else does. The first downside you might notice is when the next president gets elected on a platform of taxing your demographic into space, with zero opposition. You won't notice the coverage, obviously, but you will notice the decreased paycheck.

You have not had to do much about what's in the news because your demographic have been disproportionately media savvy.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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post #254

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I find realclearpolitics.com to be a broad slice of articles and videos from "both sides", as well as holding actual raw polling data when questionably sounding statistics are being bandied about. It also links to other non-political news in other areas, showing the major splash headlines. Its front page is also very information dense, so it's a lot more efficient than hitting all those sites individually. I believe…

> I find realclearpolitics.com to be a broad slice of articles and videos from "both sides" I didn't know that site and just had a look at it. I found that really disappointing! All "news" for today are about Trump and nothing else: Sunday, December 11 - Trump Honeymoon Begins: Confidence in Economy Booming | Cohen & Thomas, NYT - Why "Trump Boom" Is a Real Possibility | Kenneth Rogoff, Project Syndicate - Here's How…

Yeah, it's a generally American politics focused news aggregator (there's also World, Science, Life, etc outside of this Politics section), and at this particular moment Trump's the story from almost everybody who's being aggregated.

But those articles importantly are a mix of left & right viewpoints in 1 place. Neither the left (panic & planning, and how the right is wrong) nor the right (touting future Trump accolades, and how the left is wrong) are shutting up about him, because it is a very volatile moment in US politics.

However, there's also the attack in Turkey, other post-election matters, Saudi Arabia, common core education, campus echo chambers, and other non-Trump topics represented in the front page list. The overall variety will return back to normal in time.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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I haven't had a TV in the house for nearly 8 years now, and don't miss it at all. The biggest problem to me, seems to be the 24 hour news cycle for things like wars, elections and the like. I was visiting friends during a couple of major air accidents in the past couple of years (The MH370 and MH17 incidents in particular), and was astounded at the propensity for news stations on ALL channels to fill every minute of…

>Not only that, I used to be a commercial pilot, and I could not believe the amount of disinformation and outright ridiculous theories being bandied about by so called 'reputable' news sources. This is true every time there is a news story on about anything that somebody around me is an expert on. It's always "what the hell are they talking about!?" I've seen this directly, too. I've been on the local news quite a fe…

> What's really really scary to me lately is all of this talk about "fake news", which originally referred to outright lies that were part of click-farms, but is now being talked about as if CNN and MSNBC are somehow the only source of "real" news.

I am surprised by that too. This whole "fake news" thing appeared out of thin air around the US election and is reportedly a new phenomenon - as if most of the "regular" news coverage wasn't already of various degrees of fakeness.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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My favourite example of this is the Economist news magazine. The Economist reports on a much larger range of country and topics than the typical magazine or newspaper. Many of its readers like it for that exact reason: it gives them information on stories they won't normally find in their local or national news sources and they want to be informed about, say, hydroelectric developments in the Congo. The problem is th…

The Economist also has a fairly evident political agenda.

...compared to those outlets where is not that evident ?

Because I cannot think of any publication that I would call completely impartial (it also would make for pretty dry reading).

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

#260

I haven't had a TV in the house for nearly 8 years now, and don't miss it at all. The biggest problem to me, seems to be the 24 hour news cycle for things like wars, elections and the like. I was visiting friends during a couple of major air accidents in the past couple of years (The MH370 and MH17 incidents in particular), and was astounded at the propensity for news stations on ALL channels to fill every minute of…

At my place (me, my wife, 6yo and 1yo daughters) we have done the same (got rid of our TV about 5 years ago).

We watch the occasional TV show via on demand streaming (guilty pleasure="The Voice", food for thought="several long form journalistic features, tv documentaries etc")

The improvement to our quality of life at home as been significant. In the little free time our daily chores still leave us, we simply play with our daughters (lego, board games, silly play) or read a book with them.

The only concern I have is with the kids growing up. Is the lack of exposure to daily news going to make them less aware of the "world out there"?

After all we could make the choice to live without TV/News after growing up with it. All that news noise is part of our accumulated view of the world. How will this affect someone growing up?

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